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Ecodiesel EPA Scandal

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    I think this " scandal" will fall into the same dustbin that the Trump colluding with the Russians " scandal" will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcsap View Post
    I think this " scandal" will fall into the same dustbin that the Trump colluding with the Russians " scandal" will.
    quite probable

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    I always like how their wording is sooooo mushy.
    FCA expects that the installation of these updated software calibrations will improve the 2014-2016 MY vehicles' emissions performance and does not anticipate any impact on performance or fuel efficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patroller8D View Post
    I always like how their wording is sooooo mushy.
    FCA expects that the installation of these updated software calibrations will improve the 2014-2016 MY vehicles' emissions performance and does not anticipate any impact on performance or fuel efficiency.
    No mention of reliability which was one of the original FCA arguments for disabling the emission system.

    Fingers crossed this all happens without a hitch as there's a bunch of 2017's looking for owners. Gawd knows FCA will plop some nice cash on the hoods to move them out!
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    Don't give a chit about emissions, the "Scandal", EPA, hopefully Trump will castrate it or CARB. They can have my ED when they pry it out of my cold dead fingers.

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    You guys gotta leave politics out of it...left or right or middle of the road...thanks.
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    FCA has "submitted" for certification for 2017 models. This is not a done deal yet in my opinion. As the court cases still have to deal with the Notice of Violation that occoured. The only way this could happen a recertification attempt is, they removed their secret software that was there to keep the dirty engine running cleaner by means of turning it off at highway speeds, ambient temp, and hill grade pulls. If anyone thinks keeping the egr on all the time, which would be considered more now, that it will fix the emission nightmares owners already struggle with currently should be concerned.i

    More EGR use, means more DEF use, which means more commanding of DPF heat cycles to keep up with the house cleaning needs. More DPF use means more fuel period!

    3 answers needed here

    1: Full disclosure of engine failures
    2: Certification process will not take into count more fuel usage now to start a regen as the test does not exceed a regen cycle that will be command more often.
    4: Extended warranties for current owners, because they will need new SCR, DPF, and injectors sooner!

    There will be a cost from adding more soot into this little diesel......keep the poll up to date....even better maybe a new poll!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icanfixit View Post
    FCA has "submitted" for certification for 2017 models. This is not a done deal yet in my opinion. As the court cases still have to deal with the Notice of Violation that occoured. The only way this could happen a recertification attempt is, they removed their secret software that was there to keep the dirty engine running cleaner by means of turning it off at highway speeds, ambient temp, and hill grade pulls. If anyone thinks keeping the egr on all the time, which would be considered more now, that it will fix the emission nightmares owners already struggle with currently should be concerned.i

    More EGR use, means more DEF use, which means more commanding of DPF heat cycles to keep up with the house cleaning needs. More DPF use means more fuel period!

    3 answers needed here

    1: Full disclosure of engine failures
    2: Certification process will not take into count more fuel usage now to start a regen as the test does not exceed a regen cycle that will be command more often.
    4: Extended warranties for current owners, because they will need new SCR, DPF, and injectors sooner!

    There will be a cost from adding more soot into this little diesel......keep the poll up to date....even better maybe a new poll!

    Thxs
    here we go again.

    First you have no idea what or how their tune updates are going to work or what they have changed. we will have to here from a source that actually has factual information rather than someone who regularly spouts speculation and nonsense.

    Second,

    More EGR means LESS DEF necessary because of cooler EGTs. You use more EGR, your combustion temps drop and NOx goes down. I still think you struggle with how this whole thing works. I suggest you pick up a copy of "Troupbleshooting and Repairing Diesel ENgines" by Paul Dempsey and read it. it gives a good overview of how this works.

    Third, you won't get any disclosure on failures. Stop dreaming and ranting. its pointless and exhausting to keep reading it.

    Fourth, you MAY be right about more regen cycles. Time will tell. Have to see what FCA is doing.

    Fifth, not sure where you are getting this SCR/DEF injector nonsense (BTW, its DEF, not DPF injector - learn your components)? do you have any ideas as to the dosing changes? No, you don't. Do you know know anything about the Rated Heat cycles for the SCR? Nope, you don't. Do you know how much higher, if at all, they are pushing the duty cycle of the DEF injector? No.. you don't.

    so calm down and stop making things up because you are angry at FCA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggn85 View Post
    here we go again.

    First you have no idea what or how their tune updates are going to work or what they have changed. we will have to here from a source that actually has factual information rather than someone who regularly spouts speculation and nonsense.

    Second,

    More EGR means LESS DEF necessary because of cooler EGTs. You use more EGR, your combustion temps drop and NOx goes down. I still think you struggle with how this whole thing works. I suggest you pick up a copy of "Troupbleshooting and Repairing Diesel ENgines" by Paul Dempsey and read it. it gives a good overview of how this works.

    Third, you won't get any disclosure on failures. Stop dreaming and ranting. its pointless and exhausting to keep reading it.

    Fourth, you MAY be right about more regen cycles. Time will tell. Have to see what FCA is doing.

    Fifth, not sure where you are getting this SCR/DEF injector nonsense (BTW, its DEF, not DPF injector - learn your components)? do you have any ideas as to the dosing changes? No, you don't. Do you know know anything about the Rated Heat cycles for the SCR? Nope, you don't. Do you know how much higher, if at all, they are pushing the duty cycle of the DEF injector? No.. you don't.

    so calm down and stop making things up because you are angry at FCA.
    I am calm, in fact all diesel engines that has to deal with an EGR system has trouble dealing with soot, then coking! It is this reason they the manufactures want to install a cleaning cycle where the EGR system is turned off at highway speeds! This is what gets them in trouble to begin with. I understand very well how each component works....! It is you that always starts the yelling and stamping of feet or you are an ignorant person. Just to be clear Ignorance is a form of not knowing better. So grow up and treat people with respect. I have asked of you many times not to be rude to people in your reply posts. If you don't agree with what I post or anyone else's post, you have choices.

    Dispute it with respect, and make your point politely.
    You can also choose to ignore my post.

    Mods....forums are for sharing info, trouble shooting problems, acquiring knowledge, and yes disputing theories, not being rude to others.


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