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**BREAKING** FCA 3.0L Diesel Settlement

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    The rich give money to the getting rich. The lawyers win. On both sides. They are currently chuckling to themselves (and perhaps each other) over it all. (and the average person)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AustinRam View Post
    Dang it, I just sold mine last week. I'm betting this won't apply to previous owners because it's probably intended to serve as incentive to have the vehicle brought in for a flash.
    I would think it would be similar to the VW settlement. Previous owners would have a limited amount of time to come forward to claim up to half of the settlement amount, but that only applied to previous owners that sold after the alligations were made public in late 2016.

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    I am not happy about this. This does not seem to fall in line with the VW settlement.

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    I agree, I am not happy with it either

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    I just purchased a 2015 Ram 1500 3.0 ecodiesel in Oct 2018. Curious how that will effect me??

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTD EXP View Post
    I am not happy about this. This does not seem to fall in line with the VW settlement.
    Why did you think that it would. VW was a totally different scenario. They actually changed the emissions programming when the car was being inspected to make it pass.

    This was more of a pissing contest with the Gestapo of the automotive world. They said that the FCA didn't cross their t's and dot their I's and the FCA said they did, Bla, Bla, Bla.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by justlucky View Post
    I agree, I am not happy with it either
    This is funny... Just sell the truck then and stop whining. Jeez. Ur potentially getting 2800 that you didn't have before. Wah wah.

    No one forced you to buy this truck. You drove it, liked the product and got better fuel economy than anything else out there... All while emitting less C02. That should make you happy.
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    Heck I think us owners should PAY to keep our Ecodiesels. We have enjoyed the savings and performance of these vehicles for a long time. We need to PAY for the environmental damage we caused during our ownership and operation.

    Now first I want to see what this environmental damage is. Did notice an oil stain on my driveway where a pan of engine oil spilled. Horrible environmental damage there. Wait for the EPA announcement forecast for today and get ready to write your check to the EPA.
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    Straight from the EPA site.
    "These settlements resolve allegations that Volkswagen violated the Clean Air Act by the sale of approximately 590,000 model year 2009 to 2016 diesel motor vehicles equipped with “defeat devices" in the form of computer software designed to cheat on federal emissions tests."

    "a civil complaint in federal court in Detroit, Michigan, against FCA US LLC, Fiat Chrysler Automobiles N.V., V.M. Motori S.p.A., and V.M. North America, Inc. (collectively referred to as FCA). The complaint alleges that nearly 104,000 light duty diesel vehicles containing 3.0 liter EcoDiesel engines are equipped with software functions that were not disclosed to regulators during the certification application process, and that the vehicles contain defeat devices."

    Both company's willing miss lead the government and the consumer.
    Both company's have communications knowing the broke the law.

    Yes, I agree Volkswagen did it for much longer and many more vehicles. I agree they should get a much larger fine from the government.
    But from my understanding FCA did it more to improve driveablity, durability and fuel mileage.
    While Volkswagen never had those issues, just did it to pass emissions.
    I think that is why we see such a fine line on the overall durability of the engine.
    Adding the defeat devices made the engine market acceptable.
    I believe that GDE tune is proof of this concept.


    For me, they cheated to get the engine to work, to sell more trucks. Which they did, miss leading the consumer.
    They did that at not only my cost (overall engine durability, higher and misleading labeling) but also overall greenhouse gas emissions.
    To me, I do not see much of a difference between VW and FCA.

    If I recall the average payment for a consumer was 5K, on a 30-40K car, with the ability to buy it back.
    We will get 2.8K on a 50K truck with no buy back ability.

    Sounds like FCA is getting rewarded for cheating.
    How is this a level playing ground for Ford? GM?
    Is it OK for them to do the same?

    I look at this like Al Capone,
    He was able to get away with so much, but they finally were able to pull him off the street with taxes.
    So the government is using the EPA to create a level playing field that is best for the consumer and the environment.

    Part of my decision to purchase of the truck was to reduce my GHG emissions, I know that is not a popular opinion on here, but it was part of my decision.
    If I had known this before I bought the truck, I would not have bought it, much less paid for it.
    If it turns out that I will only get a check for 2.8K and no buy back choice, I will remove myself from the class action suit and go independent.
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