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    The place I use for testing tells me modern engines with modern oils often take 60,000 miles to fully stabilize to their lowest wear levels and then stay there and gradually creep up towards the end of their life unless something catastrophic happens. My 2014 with 78,000 miles and tests at each change and 10,000 mile nominal changes except once when the mouse at a hole in the air cleaner element shows 43 ppm for iron and 19 ppm for aluminum and the oil doesn't budge on the dipstick in 10,000 miles. At 48,000 miles my iron was 69ppm. I don't think the engine has undo wear or I expect I would see some oil consumption.

    I cannot explain why we see such large variations in the results from our oil testing. I tend to think it is a result of how samples are taken. I take mine with a suction pump down the dipstick tube to the level where the dipstick ends while the engine is idling. I know I get a representative and clean sample. I am not sure how representative catch samples are.

    I never did understand what Blackstone's universal averages mean. All the samples they have tested for this engine regardless of miles on oil and miles on oil or??? If they are not somehow corrected for miles on the oil and miles on the engine I am not sure what to make of the numbers and I don't think they are either. I like eoil analyzers better. They have a stronger tech section on their website and provide more technical support and are cheaper.

    I don't think you have anything to worry about on the wear components. ref the potassium I have had levels from 15 to 23 and haven't had any problems or coolant consumption. I would change the oil to the recommended Rotella T6 5w40 or an equivalent major brand and run it a full cycle and have it tested again.

    I do regular oil analysis for two reasons 1-on stuff I use a lot it is interesting and almost always gives me something to worry about. and 2-On stuff I don't use much it gives me confidence to go many years but few hours between oil changes.

    All the best,

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    Is Blackstone the eco diesel preferred oil test outfit?
    Big menu of services. Is the Standard Analysis adequate for a diesel with 27k miles? If not, what additional tests are typically appropriate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaCap View Post
    Is Blackstone the eco diesel preferred oil test outfit?
    Big menu of services. Is the Standard Analysis adequate for a diesel with 27k miles? If not, what additional tests are typically appropriate?
    Blackstone is very popular but not the best in my opinion im a big fan of Oil analyzers inc which is now a devision of Amsoil but they offer a more through test at a better price standpoint. Either way both are better than none and well help one understand what is going on inside the vehicle or equipment. Cat also offers oil analysis at a much lower cost but they test for less and are harder to read and understand.

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    ECODIESEL-181030 2.pdf

    Guessing this Blackstone report from mine, back when I had only 90-some thousand miles on it, could be used for comparison.

    I would change the oil again and BE SURE you are using the correct T6 oil - 5W40 - with a new filter. Watch that coolant level and run it a good distance before the next report. Actually not much you can do if there is an impending engine issue. With the warranty you have I would just take those steps and enjoy the ride.

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    Potassium is a coolant indicator on a UOA. As others have mentioned, keep a close eye on your coolant reservoir..

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    My truck at about 9k didnt have levels like yours and they said engine still breaking in. I think I would be worried

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    Quote Originally Posted by shawclan5 View Post
    See the link below...I think it is still breaking in based on metal numbers as they are not crazy out of whack. As far as coolant IDK however your covered with a warranty. Does it really have Rotella 15w40 as the report indicates? That alone could lead to some slightly inflated metal numbers.

    https://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/...t-results.html
    I know at least one user reported using a 15w40, I believe a mystic semi synthetic oil and seeing UOA improve on it. GDE has said that this motor was developed and designed on 15w40 oil. Have talked to a get that swears his oilfield service company has several ecodiesels that run on 15w40 delo no problems at all. I don't think these motors are nearly as picky about oil as RAM and some users might think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAS View Post
    I know at least one user reported using a 15w40, I believe a mystic semi synthetic oil and seeing UOA improve on it. GDE has said that this motor was developed and designed on 15w40 oil. Have talked to a get that swears his oilfield service company has several ecodiesels that run on 15w40 delo no problems at all. I don't think these motors are nearly as picky about oil as RAM and some users might think.
    Agree and think SavagePatch reported using it. Amsoil makes a 15w40 with our spec however typically the 5w40 is a higher base stock and better overall choice vs. wear. Look at the Delo 15w40 and 5w40 advertised less wear %'s on their labels and 5w40 is superior. Did notice WamMart had a "T6 15w40" labeled bottle stating fully synthetic yesterday....first I have seen that.
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    The 15w40 was a mistake on my part on the Blackstone form, the oil is 5w40 on this test (at least from the purchasing dealer info) and the recent oil change was certainly 5w40. I appreciate everyone’s input, I was certainly hoping for a better report. I will keep checking the coolant level weekly at least, i have been and it has been rock steady since early March purchase. Will do another OA between 5k and 7k this time and see what it says. I have my warranty, so will continue to drive and enjoy, love the truck! Would like to do GDE tune, but I believe the risk to my warranty is too great, will hold off (I realize there are infinite opinions on that). Thanks again for taking the time for your input, this is a great group!
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    Hope it improves for you.

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