Why do so many people drive around in perfect weather conditions with fog lights on Or install illegal super bright LED lights inside the fog housing then use them all the time.
I run them all the time. I think they help fill in a portion of the lane the regular headlights overshoot and like Ram1 said, more visibility for oncoming traffic isn't a bad thing.
Fog lights are low for a reason, to shine underneath the fog. If someone's fog lights are blinding you, its because they are adjusted wrong, not for the simple fact that they are on.
For fun, next time you're in heavy fog, turn your brights on, which are intended to point higher than any of your other lights. How well can you see now?
i know my factory fogs illuminate an area higher than regular headlights, but I've never had anyone flash their high beams at me when driving at night and having the fogs on. I used to have them on all the time but they shake too much so I only have them on when needed.
I have LED's for all my bulbs. They produce about 3,500 lumens. I found that they simply need to be adjusted correctly and have the right "cut" at the height of the beam in order to not shine into oncoming drivers eyes. I run my fog lights constantly. They are adjusted correctly and only shoot low to the sides to illuminate the ditches and a very small part just under the dim beams in front of the vehicle. On most vehicles fogs lights are physically set on the curvature of the bumper which allows them to shine more to the sides than directly in front. The are also always positioned low so they can shoot a beam under as much fog as possible and illuminate the ground as mentioned in an above post. They are also typically a lower output bulb since the point is not to shine very bright which blinds the driver in foggy situations and hence nullifies the usefulness of fog lights in the first place.
If you're getting a bright beam in your eyes from a fog light then they are either miss adjusted, the housing is not secured like in the case of an accident causing it to point upwards, or the bulb is incorrect or incorrectly installed where the filament of the bulb is too close to the reflector not allow the appropriate beam.
I hate aftermarket headlights, I hate the super bright new lights and I hate people who drive with their fog lights on. If those people had to sit on the other side of the bulb they wouldn't do what they do. Really pisses me off, but what the hell can you do about it? Nothing. Many of them I see are against the law, but nobody enforces it so nothing happens.
To add to it all the people who just gotta level their truck because it looks so cool never adjust their head lights and it sucks worse.
I mostly have to agree with you on this one. I'm a little lighter on the hatred so I'll say dislike. The other night I had an oncoming wrangler with massive rectangular LED panels mounted outboard on both side mirrors. I never saw anything like it before and I actually had to almost come to a stop until he passed. Luckily it was on a back road. In my younger years I would have turned around and chased him down.
I run mine because the projectors don't illuminate enough. The fogs help distribute light like the image above demonstrates. I've tried LED's and the light is all over the place. Installed HID's and the light pattern is low, but wide. HID bulbs have a similar beam pattern to incandescent bulbs. No complaints from other drivers.
Driving with your fog lights on and having LED panels are 2 different things. I agree that it really pisses me off to get blinded by after market lighting but fog lights are OEM and as was said before, if they are adjusted properly they won't shine high enough to bother other drivers.
I agree. I was by no means saying they were the same. As far as fogs are concerned I dislike when they're not aimed properly. I installed the LED projectors, aimed them properly, and run them all the time.
Fog lights are also useful in snow. However for me they add nothing to useful clear night visibility. I did not know they were adjustable on our rams. Can anyone provide a brief description on how to do so?
There is a wing nut on the back of the fog lights that adjusts the up/down of the fog light. There is no side/side adjust. It doesn't take much to move them up/down, just don't loosen it too much as it will come apart.
I run my stock fogs anytime my low beams are on, I wish they would stay on with the high beams. Normal fog lights will not blind oncoming drivers. Many people use them because they have a wider low spread which is very handy on twisty roads for illuminating the turns right in front of you, they also illuminate the ditches and fields up close so you can see the danged deer that's going to jump right in front of you. Fog lights that are properly built and installed will cast a low wide beam which is NOT going to blind other drivers by lens shaping and reflectors.
I believe is a federal restriction to no more than 4 forward lights on while on road. The lows stay on when the high beams are turned on, so the fogs are programmed to turn off.
I have read that with AutoEnginuity, you can set the fogs to stay on with the high beams. It's not to say that if your local law enforcement could cite you for having too many lights on.
Where is your fog light switch located?? The factory fog lights switch is the pushbutton action of the headlights switch. I can turn the fogs on/off just as fast as the low or high beams.
Yup, I have the standard 4 X Halogen setup. Horrible lights. I am considering as a stop gap, maybe Silverstar Lighting. Not the greatest, but maybe I will be able to see the road, just IMHO...Gonna look at different bulbs for the fog lights also, but not a priority now,.,..
Tossing out some options, one would be LED's in the fogs, at least the right brand and design would help. Secondly, installing a 9012 bulb instead of the 9006 bulb will drastically increase the lumens while still utilizing a halogen bulb. To fit the 9012 you simply need to trim one of the three locking tabs. Very simple.
I drive with mine on and unless they are out of adjustment they should not bother on coming traffic at all. Now if some one swaps out the stock bulbs for higher output or or with LED's then we have a horse of a different color. These new LED headlamp and fog lamps IMO are B.S.. They blind on coming traffic and actually cause momentary blindness making it impossible to see anything on the side of the road like a pedestrian. Then add the fact that a lot of vehicles seem to come from the factory with misaligned headlamps and or fog lamps (Kia/Hyundai are the worse offenders). Fords seem to have some of the brightest lights on the road IMO
I have no issues with people driving with their fog lights on, I do it all the time since the stock headlights on this truck suck and the fog lights do help in all conditions... But i do agree, it's terrible when guys throw outrageously over powered HID's or LEDs into stock halogen housings. I was going down the highway one day, late summer, sunny day, with sun glasses on and some tool in a Jeep renegade must have had 55w 6500k HID's in the housings on his renegade, they were so bright, looking at them in my mirror, mid sunny day, with my sun glasses on still physically caused pain in my eyes. I seriously contemplated following him and taking my hatchet to his headlights after he parked and left his jeep...
If your gonna upgrade your headlights / fog lights don't half ass it, do full retrofits AND make sure to aim them properly, or don't do an upgrade at all...
I have no issues with people driving with their fog lights on, I do it all the time since the stock headlights on this truck suck and the fog lights do help in all conditions... But i do agree, it's terrible when guys throw outrageously over powered HID's or LEDs into stock halogen housings. I was going down the highway one day, late summer, sunny day, with sun glasses on and some tool in a Jeep renegade must have had 55w 6500k HID's in the housings on his renegade, they were so bright, looking at them in my mirror, mid sunny day, with my sun glasses on still physically caused pain in my eyes. I seriously contemplated following him and taking my hatchet to his headlights after he parked and left his jeep...
If your gonna upgrade your headlights / fog lights don't half ass it, do full retrofits and make sure to aim them properly, or don't do an upgrade at all...
It was posted in a previous comment on this thread. Install them and aim them where the stock bulbs were aimed and most importantly test them from incoming traffic viewpoints. Have a friend or your wife drive it as you drive past them or at a minimum park it on take your second vehicle, preferably a car that sits lower to the group to make sure it doesn't blind them.
I have passed many oncoming rams at night with their fogs on...I’ve never felt blinded. FWIW, I also can’t stand super bright aftermarket bulbs or improperly aimed headlights.
Around here there are a lot of (mostly Chevy) trucks with the "Carolina Lean" (or the idiot lean as I like to call it). Lowered in the back and lifted in the front. Even with standard halogens these morons blind you. But most have LED/HID bulbs on top of it.
Fog lights provide only a few feet of light in front of the truck and to the sides. If you are driving with high beams on then you don't need fog lights. DOT and most state laws require fog lights to switch off when highbeams come on.
IMO, idiots drive with fog lights when there is no fog lights. If your behind me with fog lights on, I turn on my cargo lights. If you you've replaced fog lights with d-head LED or Xenon bulbs then you get my highbeams as you blind me, I blind you back.
Fog lights provide only a few feet of light in front of the truck and to the sides. If you are driving with high beams on then you don't need fog lights. DOT and most state laws require fog lights to switch off when highbeams come on.
IMO, idiots drive with fog lights when there is no fog lights. If your behind me with fog lights on, I turn on my cargo lights. If you you've replaced fog lights with d-head LED or Xenon bulbs then you get my highbeams as you blind me, I blind you back.
You are making negative assumptions. You are thinking of highway driving. We are thinking of off-road driving or driving back country roads with no traffic. A good set of fogs light up the sides that high beams do not - the combination makes a very good light pattern to drive much safer. I see deer on the sides that I would never see driving without my fogs. Please don't refer to us as idiots.
You are also wrong about the laws. It is a Federal (DOT) law that only allows four lights lighted at a time. There's nothing in the law about driving with fogs and high beams. Many vehicles with high beams lighted also have the low beams lighted, thus four lights. That is why these vehicles do not allow fogs on with high beams lighted.
If you are in the habit of blinding drivers because you don't like them driving with their fog lights on IMO you are the idiot!
Hi: All... I'm in a "Fog" most of the time...that's why I like having auto hi beam lights. They sense and turn up/down so I don't have to!!! I've never had fogs so I don't use them much.
Dieseldragon North shore of Lake Erie.
I live in the Boondocks of Maine. When I drive at night on rural roads, I've found the fog lights help to see deer in the ditch, in time to slow down or stop. Sometimes it seems like you are driving through a gauntlet, nighttime, deer, daytime wild turkeys.
I don't consider them fog lights at all. I don;t think they help FA in the fog. I consider them driving lights. when I'm on back roads they help light the road closer in front and to the sides while driving. This helps if there happens to be anything on the edge/shoulder that could become a object of animal destruction (aka Roadkill).
I have mine enabled at all time and now when my high beams are on also. I have auto high beams, so the driving lights are of little concern to oncoming drivers after my high beams have been turned off at a legally respectable distance.
I wish the fog lights had the same functionality as those on my wife's golf. When slowing under 25mph, the fog on the side where you either had your turn signal on or in the direction of your turn would light up. giving you more light to the side of where you wanted to go. I know that this personally saved at least two walkers that were darkly dressed at night. They were actually in the cross walk too but I would not have seen them except for the fog light.
On the MY 19, the lights do just this. Also on higher trim like Limited, the "projector" headlights also turn. Since I have a lower trim Bighorn, I just had the OEM midrange reflector LED's for headlights, but they R pretty good...
I saw that was an upcoming option or standard accessory. I wonder what I would have to do to get it to work on my 17? More than likely, it would require tearing the whole front end off and that ain't going happen.
Hi: ncskibum... Or you could just wait till someone does it for you!!! LoL
Dieseldragon North shore of Lake Erie.
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