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The way I see this whole AEM mess is like this:


I (we) bought a truck that is supposed to be:

  • Environmentally friendly (whatever that means)
  • Fuel efficient (like it was before the AEM)
  • Powerful (enough power to make it a good tow vehicle and, ultimately as powerful as it was when I test drove it)
  • Safe to drive (no lag)
Ram KNOWINGLY committed fraud when it sold us vehicles with rigged computers. They gave us the economy, power and safety we expected but not the "eco friendly" bit.

When they got caught, we were told by Ram that they could fix the eco friendly bit without harming fuel efficiency, power and safety. This was also a lie.

The "repair" got the eco bit right at the expense of fuel efficiency and safety. And, as far as I'm concerned, the lag on my truck is a safety issue.


That's not what I bought. That's not what I want. And Ram cannot offer a workable solution to give me what they claimed I was buying.


Now, I could yank out all the emissions stuff. But that would be illegal and void every last bit of warranty I have, not to mention destroy what little resale value is left after this mess they have made. That's not an acceptable option.

I could also (apparently) spend a bunch of money on a tune. That's not something I know a lot about. And what little I do know is that, by restoring the fuel efficiency, power and safety by sacrificing the "eco friendly" nature of the vehicle I was supposedly buying. Might this still be the best real-world solution? Perhaps. But why/how is this OK?

It seems to me that if Ram cannot provide me (us) with the vehicle it purported to sell me, then they should have no choice but to allow the sale to be undone. This is what happened when VW pulled the same stunt and seems like the only correct solution.

I'm going to pursue FCA along these lines and take it as far as I can go with it, but I'm afraid that isn't very far since most companies only care about doing the right thing if they are compelled to do so.

In the meantime, has anyone heard of any other class action activity along these lines? It seems at the very least, making our vehicles unsafe and offering no solution is a completely different kettle of fish than just lying to us about emissions and compensating us for the trouble.
 

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Are you a lawyer ?
Your gonna go broke and exhausted fighting this long before the FCA. There's not a big enough group of people with post AEM problems for lawyers to make enough easy money off of to care. Even if they get enough people to peak a ambulance chasers interest the odds are it will be years down the road before it's settled. The odds of owning the truck still are slim. Unless your in California why not just tune it and keep all the emissions stuff intact along with the warranty. They already gave owners 3 grand with extended warranty. To me seems like they did their best to make it right and no matter the outcome your not gonna be happy about it anyway. That 3 grand pays for a GDE tune multiple times and more. The warranty covers most of the stuff that's spendy to replace. Life's to short to me. Ether tune it or sell it and move on. This is coming from a guy that experienced the AEM problems. My egr cooler went out they replaced it free. Had sensors in the emission system go out they fixed it free. The lag issues I had them. So ya know what I did I spent 850$ plus 500$ to keep my stock ecu that you don't have to and I bought a tune and moved on.
 

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Well I agree there's some additional lag when cold. I'm not buying the big decrease in fuel economy though. To say it's unsafe is a far stretch of the imagination.
I like this statement so much I had to quote it too!
 

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The way I see this whole AEM mess is like this:


I (we) bought a truck that is supposed to be:

  • Environmentally friendly (whatever that means)
  • Fuel efficient (like it was before the AEM)
  • Powerful (enough power to make it a good tow vehicle and, ultimately as powerful as it was when I test drove it)
  • Safe to drive (no lag)
Ram KNOWINGLY committed fraud when it sold us vehicles with rigged computers. They gave us the economy, power and safety we expected but not the "eco friendly" bit.

When they got caught, we were told by Ram that they could fix the eco friendly bit without harming fuel efficiency, power and safety. This was also a lie.

The "repair" got the eco bit right at the expense of fuel efficiency and safety. And, as far as I'm concerned, the lag on my truck is a safety issue.


That's not what I bought. That's not what I want. And Ram cannot offer a workable solution to give me what they claimed I was buying.


Now, I could yank out all the emissions stuff. But that would be illegal and void every last bit of warranty I have, not to mention destroy what little resale value is left after this mess they have made. That's not an acceptable option.

I could also (apparently) spend a bunch of money on a tune. That's not something I know a lot about. And what little I do know is that, by restoring the fuel efficiency, power and safety by sacrificing the "eco friendly" nature of the vehicle I was supposedly buying. Might this still be the best real-world solution? Perhaps. But why/how is this OK?

It seems to me that if Ram cannot provide me (us) with the vehicle it purported to sell me, then they should have no choice but to allow the sale to be undone. This is what happened when VW pulled the same stunt and seems like the only correct solution.

I'm going to pursue FCA along these lines and take it as far as I can go with it, but I'm afraid that isn't very far since most companies only care about doing the right thing if they are compelled to do so.

In the meantime, has anyone heard of any other class action activity along these lines? It seems at the very least, making our vehicles unsafe and offering no solution is a completely different kettle of fish than just lying to us about emissions and compensating us for the trouble.
It’s been real quiet around here about class action lawsuits, maybe you should look into getting one started ....:rolleyes:
 

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Well I agree there's some additional lag when cold. I'm not buying the big decrease in fuel economy though. To say it's unsafe is a far stretch of the imagination.
A big drop in mpg I couldn't say I didn't have the AEM tune in long enough to know lol.
I am sure some people may see it. I am not sure so I won't say it's rubbish. The being completely shocked the first time pulling into traffic and it falling on its face leaving the dealer definitely happened. Did I see god and have him wink at me ? No I didn't. Did I change how I drove it until I tuned It ? You bet your ass lol. Could i have gotten used to driving it that way ? Probably but why GDE makes a tune for it lol.
 

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I experienced a 3-4 mpg drop in fuel economy. That's nearly 20%. I consider that a problem. As for the safety aspect of the lag, I shall remember the wise and learned opinion of a few random guys on the Internet the next time I'm in the middle of a traffic circle wondering if the truck will start to move before the guy heading right for me hits me and remind myself that my feeling if imminent danger is a stretch.
 

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I experienced a 3-4 mpg drop in fuel economy. That's nearly 20%. I consider that a problem. As for the safety aspect of the lag, I shall remember the wise and learned opinion of a few random guys on the Internet the next time I'm in the middle of a traffic circle wondering if the truck will start to move before the guy heading right for me hits me and remind myself that my feeling if imminent danger is a stretch.
Seriously?
 

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I'm more than satisfied with Avg MPG so far. BUT WORRIED ABOUT what I read as 2 total engine failure issues (Timing bolt slipping and Fuel Pump debris) & this AEM Issue. MPG: I bought new 2018 1500 crew cab Eco Diesel Jan 2019 and at current 2700 total miles on truck drove RT 200 miles from Houston to Galveston and back on a highway trip running 65-70 Mph getting home averaging 28.5 MPG. ENGINE FAILUREs Posts on web sites are inconclusive: WHO CAN I ASK if factory had corrected these 2014-2016 issues (above) before delivering a 2018 truck bought Jan 2019 - or not ?
 

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I experienced a 3-4 mpg drop in fuel economy. That's nearly 20%. I consider that a problem. As for the safety aspect of the lag, I shall remember the wise and learned opinion of a few random guys on the Internet the next time I'm in the middle of a traffic circle wondering if the truck will start to move before the guy heading right for me hits me and remind myself that my feeling if imminent danger is a stretch.
Seriously?
For daily driving (with BFG KO's and leveling), I had my worst in-town tank at 19.5 mpg with the AEM. Normally I would get 22-23. The worst I ever had before that was on winter fuel at 21 mpg on a tank. Never below that on a tank of fuel until the AEM and that was on summer blend fuel.

On Edit: I'm not advocating one way or another on further litigation, just sharing my fuel mileage experience.
 

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I'm more than satisfied with Avg MPG so far. BUT WORRIED ABOUT what I read as 2 total engine failure issues (Timing bolt slipping and Fuel Pump debris) & this AEM Issue. MPG: I bought new 2018 1500 crew cab Eco Diesel Jan 2019 and at current 2700 total miles on truck drove RT 200 miles from Houston to Galveston and back on a highway trip running 65-70 Mph getting home averaging 28.5 MPG. ENGINE FAILUREs Posts on web sites are inconclusive: WHO CAN I ASK if factory had corrected these 2014-2016 issues (above) before delivering a 2018 truck bought Jan 2019 - or not ?
you're not affected with the AEM, you had change from when you purchased it as the AEM was the base software, fyi. They changed the oil specification and the frequency of oil changes. If you have a warranty, drive it through the warranty. Anything after the warranty is 100% your risk. Like it or not, the warranty is your security blanket.
 

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In all fairness I think it depends where you drive. In the North East folks drive aggressive, things happen fast and the responsiveness of a vehicle matters a lot. In the South, driving is much more relaxed, lots of patient slow drivers. Mid West, South West everything is big so there is plenty of time. West coast is a mix but in general driving isn't too crazy. Not sure about the middle of the country. I haven't had the recall done yet and the existing hesitation has resulted in a few close calls here in the North East. Almost daily pulling out of our blind driveway while some nutbag rips around the corner 20 over the speed limit. Standard for my area. Go truck! Go! lol.

I'm here researching whether to do the recall on Wednesday. I can't say I'm thrilled about the implications if I don't. And if I do, I have to get a tune for it? That doesn't make a bit of sense. Why isn't RAM doing the tune if that's the solution? I'm kind of with the OP here. The idea of a second class action for false statements to consumers regarding the fix for the first sounds logical. However, I'm not the guy who has time to chase that down.

Go get em OP. I'll jump on board.
 

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In all fairness I think it depends where you drive. In the North East folks drive aggressive, things happen fast and the responsiveness of a vehicle matters a lot. In the South, driving is much more relaxed, lots of patient slow drivers. Mid West, South West everything is big so there is plenty of time. West coast is a mix but in general driving isn't too crazy. Not sure about the middle of the country. I haven't had the recall done yet and the existing hesitation has resulted in a few close calls here in the North East. Almost daily pulling out of our blind driveway while some nutbag rips around the corner 20 over the speed limit. Standard for my area. Go truck! Go! lol.

I'm here researching whether to do the recall on Wednesday. I can't say I'm thrilled about the implications if I don't. And if I do, I have to get a tune for it? That doesn't make a bit of sense. Why isn't RAM doing the tune if that's the solution? I'm kind of with the OP here. The idea of a second class action for false statements to consumers regarding the fix for the first sounds logical. However, I'm not the guy who has time to chase that down.

Go get em OP. I'll jump on board.
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I only have lag issues for the first few minutes after starting a cold truck.
Basically, I have one hill before I reach the main road, then it's business as usual.
My mileage has always been a bit lower than I'd hoped. I get around 20 in mixed driving. 25 on highway-only trips.
I see there are others in this range as well.
I usually drive at 75 - 80 on highways.
Not much has changed with the AEM except for the cold start lag. It's over before I reach the main road.
 

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The way I see this whole AEM mess is like this:


I (we) bought a truck that is supposed to be:

  • Environmentally friendly (whatever that means)
  • Fuel efficient (like it was before the AEM)
  • Powerful (enough power to make it a good tow vehicle and, ultimately as powerful as it was when I test drove it)
  • Safe to drive (no lag)
Ram KNOWINGLY committed fraud when it sold us vehicles with rigged computers. They gave us the economy, power and safety we expected but not the "eco friendly" bit.

When they got caught, we were told by Ram that they could fix the eco friendly bit without harming fuel efficiency, power and safety. This was also a lie.

The "repair" got the eco bit right at the expense of fuel efficiency and safety. And, as far as I'm concerned, the lag on my truck is a safety issue.


That's not what I bought. That's not what I want. And Ram cannot offer a workable solution to give me what they claimed I was buying.


Now, I could yank out all the emissions stuff. But that would be illegal and void every last bit of warranty I have, not to mention destroy what little resale value is left after this mess they have made. That's not an acceptable option.

I could also (apparently) spend a bunch of money on a tune. That's not something I know a lot about. And what little I do know is that, by restoring the fuel efficiency, power and safety by sacrificing the "eco friendly" nature of the vehicle I was supposedly buying. Might this still be the best real-world solution? Perhaps. But why/how is this OK?

It seems to me that if Ram cannot provide me (us) with the vehicle it purported to sell me, then they should have no choice but to allow the sale to be undone. This is what happened when VW pulled the same stunt and seems like the only correct solution.

I'm going to pursue FCA along these lines and take it as far as I can go with it, but I'm afraid that isn't very far since most companies only care about doing the right thing if they are compelled to do so.

In the meantime, has anyone heard of any other class action activity along these lines? It seems at the very least, making our vehicles unsafe and offering no solution is a completely different kettle of fish than just lying to us about emissions and compensating us for the trouble.
I agree with you completely! I took it in and they told me there is a problem but no fix. Mine is lagging so bad it is a safety issue! I would have not bought this product if it ran like this. Now my Ram is throwing codes about the throttle body sensor and a check engine light. Its going to the dealer tomorrow. If it still lags I am sure I can find an ambulance chaser in California that can smell blood in the water. If it keeps throwing codes I will find a lemon law attorney. If we give up Ram is not going to make it right. I think they should be held to answer and pay us out or give us new models just like VW!
 
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