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I should have noted in my last post that prior to my EGR failure, the Ram dealer where my truck is sitting now was willing to take my truck in trade despite the open EGR recall. They lowballed need at first but ultimately offered me the top of the KBB trade value range. I didn’t ultimately make the deal but they were willing.
 

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The more I think about it the dots don't connect. Car max is a big company. They bought it with no issue. Selling it openly and disclosing the recall need to be done.

Why couldn't the ram dealer be the same? Its used, not new. Different department??

I say Ram has some brass gonads. Alienate your customer who is already on the edge. Textbook case of how NOT to treat a customer.

Pitiful when your only savior is car max. Real pitiful......
My opinion on your question is rather simple. FCA and the dealers have a contractual relationship. Presumably the agreement gives FCA some rights to instruct the dealers what to do in this situation. I can understand (not like) the concept that FCA doesn't want to increase their liability by selling a known faulty truck. Carmax, not being a FCA dealer, has no such relationship. I don't think it is rocket science. FCA has decided reducing their risk this way is less costly than selling vehicles with a non resolved safety recall.
 

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Fca dealerships need to follow what the recall says but other dealerships like carmax have no worries. The recall is at a oem level so only dealerships that are certified at that level need to follow it. If it was a federally mandated recall it would be different but the egr recall is a fca recall.
 

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Fca dealerships need to follow what the recall says but other dealerships like carmax have no worries. The recall is at a oem level so only dealerships that are certified at that level need to follow it. If it was a federally mandated recall it would be different but the egr recall is a fca recall.
My understanding is that complaints to DOT promoted the recall. I’ve been wrong before. Lol.


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My point here is.......if they tell a buyer that the truck you just purchased has had all the open recalls performed and there are none outstanding, when in fact we know the EGR recall (Safety Recall) is still outstanding because the parts will only be released months from now...... then they are defrauding the buyer as well as taking a huge risk if that truck catches on fire and someone is hurt or worse. This dealer is a shyster willing to take the risk for a few thousand dollars profit.
Thats why in my state they make you sign the "as-is" form. You buy it as is.
I purchased a GM Factory Certified Corvette that was supposed to have xyz list of inspections done and be "better than new". After the purchase I found several items they either didn't check or were blind. Researched and got a factory GM inspection guide. Took them to court and they beat me for two reasons- I didn't have a lawyer and they showed the "as - is" signed form. Regardless of what they advertise when you sign as-is you accept as-is.
 

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The truck was priced at 15k. If the AEM was not done then my dad could had gotten the truck for 12k. Get the AEM and now its got a warranty under AEM and the remaining 10k miles powertrain. Gamble and hope the engine fails within the AEM / powertrain warranty. - Glad my dad called me from the dealership. I told him about the EGR fires, 2-5% engine failure rates that require truck cab to be removed and a $$$ engine. Said I love my truck but its one engine number 2. Most likely he would had purchased the fire truck.

Or just get a brand new 2019 ecoboost Ranger for 22k. Ford has them marked down 8-10k. 26mpg highway and 0-60mph in the 6 seconds. A EPA legal tune gets the truck into low 5 seconds 0-60mph!
 
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This recall is not a government mandated recall it was a voluntary recall by fca.

Do Manufacturers Ever Initiate Recalls Without a Government Order?
Yes . Most decisions to conduct a recall and remedy a safety defect are made voluntarily by manufacturers prior to any involvement by NHTSA . Through their own tests, inspection procedures, and information-gathering systems, manufacturers often discover that a safety defect exists or that the requirements of a Federal safety standard have not been met . The manufacturer is obligated to report such findings to NHTSA and take appropriate action to correct the problem . However, as vehicles age with
use, certain design and performance problems may occur that prompt vehicle owners to file complaints with NHTSA . The many reports received by the public form the basis for NHTSA’s defect investigations, which often result in significant safety recalls .


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I have shopped for LL equipped ed's across the country. Using carfax, cargru and truecar. All ed that are listed have outstanding recall listed in the ads. As I currently have a 2014 and 2015. I was bottom shopping for high end Ed's. Actually found 2019 model with under 20k miles. Prices are all over the place. Just keep thinking should get rid of both.
 

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Sitting in line for the state safety inspection. I never wait this long but till the end but was hoping something was resolved by now (wishful thinking). At least I’ll get a 2021 sticker. Haven’t been driving the ED much, I wonder if that’s a mistake?




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Dealership called my dad and said that all recalls were completed. I wish I had spare time to drive up and play with these guys.
 

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Your better off staying away. What does it show on FCA website and Check for Recalls: Vehicle, Car Seat, Tire, Equipment.




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1 Unrepaired Recalls associated with this VIN
Oct 24,2019
Manufacturer Recall Number VB1
NHTSA Recall Number 19V-757
Recall Status Recall Incomplete, remedy not yet available
Summary The Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) cooler on your truck [1] may be susceptible to thermal fatigue. Thermal fatigue may cause the cooler to crack internally over time. An EGR cooler with an internal crack will introduce pre-heated, vaporized coolant to the EGR system while the engine is running. In certain circumstances, this mixture interacts with other hydrocarbons and air in the system, potentially resulting in combustion within the intake manifold, which may lead to a vehicle fire.
 

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1 Unrepaired Recalls associated with this VIN
Oct 24,2019
Manufacturer Recall Number VB1
NHTSA Recall Number 19V-757
Recall Status Recall Incomplete, remedy not yet available
Summary The Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) cooler on your truck [1] may be susceptible to thermal fatigue. Thermal fatigue may cause the cooler to crack internally over time. An EGR cooler with an internal crack will introduce pre-heated, vaporized coolant to the EGR system while the engine is running. In certain circumstances, this mixture interacts with other hydrocarbons and air in the system, potentially resulting in combustion within the intake manifold, which may lead to a vehicle fire.
Under you (dads) vin number?


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