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I have to wonder if this post had gotten too far from the topic. We can goto any other forum or post for user (bashing) disagreement.

What options are out there to inform other Ram ED owners? How about a community who'll contact FCA explaining how unsatisfied/dissatisfied with the ED issues... That conversation needs too address why other owners aren't being informed.

This includes what options are out there for improved Ram performance. Upgrades that are legal and don't cost too much. Yup FCA should have fixed all of our issues; but they aren't.

What do the 2017 & up have that eliminates the plagued ED issues for previous year Ram trucks... Why can't we get those...
 

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"Ford Tough"????

Windstorm two nights ago blew some shingles off my roof. Insurance coming Monday but not enough damage to get any coverage, according to the roofer that came to look yesterday. Well I noticed he was driving a Ford diesel Of course I asked. He had it totally rebuilt, engine and emissions, by a local diesel shop. He also mentioned that diesel shop could tune and work on the new Cummins. Then he told me about his brothers' new Ford 3.0 diesel.

My truck was in a garage and he had no clue I had a diesel. His story was to NEVER buy one of those "little 3.0 diesels". They are all junk. His brother bought a Ford 3.0 diesel. At 22,000 miles it locked up the motor. No replacement yet and not sure how long that has gone on. He said the darn thing broke a timing belt (also said there were two timing belts) and the broken belt trashed the motor.

No way for me to substantiate the story. He is coming to measure the house today as my wife wants the whole roof replaced. Estimate comes Monday. I am ready to cry. Roof is 17 years old. Wish I was 17 years old. Don't wish to be "Ford Tough".
Sorry about the roof situation. That just spoils ones week.

I was being a bit sarcastic about the "Ford Tough" comment but I get your point. This will be my first and last "light duty" diesel. Not sure what will be my next vehicle. Perhaps a Tesla truck or a Toyota Tundra or a Ford v8 power stroke.
 

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Capt I have had roof issues in the past as well. First replacement was at 13 years and next was at 8. Granted I live in different climate conditions, these were both 30 yr shingles. Todays shingles don't last ever since asbestos was taken out. As bad as it is for health, it did wonders to keep shingle bonded for long term. I wasn't impressed with current shingle longevity so I went with a steel roof and have not looked back. A little more cost up front but I never have to worry about it again. Don't believe anyone who says steel is noisy. My neighbours asphalt is noisier than mine in a good down pour and he just had his redone a few years ago and will have to do it again, whereas mine will last longer than I will.
 

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@VernDiesel , and that's why I love forums....to learn. Thanks for the info, I will certainly look into all that. Since I've modified and tune both my motorbikes I'm not afraid of the tune. But as diesels are public enemy number #2 (behind hard working taxpayers) here in CA doing full deletes may prove problematic on terms of dealing with SMOG checks. But I will certainly look into it as I didn't buy this truck last year just to get rid of it or watch it burn up on the shoulder

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I have to wonder if this post had gotten too far from the topic. We can goto any other forum or post for user (bashing) disagreement.

What options are out there to inform other Ram ED owners? How about a community who'll contact FCA explaining how unsatisfied/dissatisfied with the ED issues... That conversation needs too address why other owners aren't being informed.

This includes what options are out there for improved Ram performance. Upgrades that are legal and don't cost too much. Yup FCA should have fixed all of our issues; but they aren't.

What do the 2017 & up have that eliminates the plagued ED issues for previous year Ram trucks... Why can't we get those...
In the grand scheme of things the list would be very short. Mine is a 2014 and except for the inefficient cats that were first installed all else has been flawless. Of all the ED owners i have meet and talked to in gas stations, parking lots etc. i have yet to meet one that has any serious problems and all seemed to love there trucks. When at the dealer for he AEM talked to three others that had similar positive experiences. Of course we have the egr cooler problem that when the new part comes out you can bet it will be bullet proof. They know there is a problem and are stepping up to take care of it. Even handing out rental cars like candy on Halloween. Yes there have been some motor failures but i doubt that the number is any higher than any other manufacturer. And FCA has always stood up and taken care of those also. This like others forums i have been on (like with my Tundra) is filled with doom and gloom. Like most products today they are all built so much better then they used to be. Perfection ? Well, this is Real life and that is not an option.
 

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Ha, nice reference, I do remember him. But sadly no, I was referencing our lame ass govenor Gavin "Gruesome" Newsome

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Oh okay.......I didnt think Ozzy could have anything to do with anything that might be construed as ........lame ass. lol
 

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What options are out there to inform other Ram ED owners? How about a community who'll contact FCA explaining how unsatisfied/dissatisfied with the ED issues... That conversation needs too address why other owners aren't being informed.
I know that it's natural for people to want to help others ... very commendable. For some people, the desire to help is so strong that they are unable to comprehend people who don't want help, or advice, or news about their "fill in the blank". Personally, when I was working full time self-employed, my days were so full, that the last thing I wanted was someone else whispering in my ear that I was going to have big troubles down the road if I didn't do "this" or "that". Thanks for your concern, but I had no time for anyone else's worries. I was a big boy and I could fix my own problems when they arose.

If someone actively engages you in conversation about their truck, great .... go for it. Personally I don't plan to mount any crusade to spread the word and I won't be happy to have someone else rain on my sunny days.
 

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You get what you vote for. And the beauty of America is if we dont like a place, job, restaurant, store etc.. we can Move to a place we do :)
 

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I know that it's natural for people to want to help others ... very commendable. For some people, the desire to help is so strong that they are unable to comprehend people who don't want help, or advice, or news about their "fill in the blank". Personally, when I was working full time self-employed, my days were so full, that the last thing I wanted was someone else whispering in my ear that I was going to have big troubles down the road if I didn't do "this" or "that". Thanks for your concern, but I had no time for anyone else's worries. I was a big boy and I could fix my own problems when they arose.

If someone actively engages you in conversation about their truck, great .... go for it. Personally I don't plan to mount any crusade to spread the word and I won't be happy to have someone else rain on my sunny days.
Ain’t life great. We make choices from the minute we wake up till we go to sleep.


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Firemedic, Neither of those tunes have to be a full delete. In fact I suggest not going the full delete route unless there is a specific problem or reason to go full delete.
 

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FYI - I got the recall notice three times and three different ways. Once from the "MyRam" app on my phone. Once from an e-mail from Ram VHR. And a notice that came in via snail mail from FCA. None of it matters though since my dealer doesn't have parts. When I asked for an ETA he said he didn't know. He said that he'd put me on the waiting list. That was more than three months ago.
 

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Natural Sound there is always the permanent solution. EGR Delete Kit (Stage 2 kit) or Eco Diesel Solution
Naturally that also requires a tune. And you might not be willing to go the egr cooler delete until post power train warranty. But if you are not keeping your degas tank to the seam or better low coolant can take out your water pump plus steam pressure your radiator even a head gasket. Don't ask me how I know. :rolleyes:
 

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  1. I don't know about Ford's setup but the new gen 3 Ecos and GMs 3.0 diesel owners might never have to deal with the problems of the earlier generation's emissions woes. The new systems are very different. Mfgrs have now had more time to deal with and unfortunately for us test systems used to meet governments emissions mandates. Our older (myself included) members might remember the woes of early gasoline powered cars emissions with faulty plugging catalytic converters and such. Power and mileage plummeted remember the cats with the floating balls people would take off and dump out. Today the end user doesn't even talk about converters in gas cars as its seamless.

    There needs to be changes in diesel emissions requirements to better reflect what is more reasonably beneficial. But I am certainly not against the general concept and I am not a gloom and doom preacher to new prospective buyers of small diesels. In fact the opposite but with the caveat of a brief as I can education as to best tool for the job and how will you use your truck.
    You are optimistic Vern, lets look at this in say 2 years. Most of those new owners will not alter the engine in any way. They will drive continuously short distances, idle for long periods, buy fuel from low volume outlets. Many live in cold climates. I hope your correct and its a troublefree experience. Your brief education caveat is interesting. Not sure how that will be done, but a great idea.
 

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Optimistic pessimistic two vantage points looking at the same thing and their is usually truth in what each see. Professionally Ram trained salespeople at the point of sale or interest is how I see that done. Not just what color do you like and what payment do you think you can afford but how / what do you plan to use this truck for. Then if needed a brief pros & cons that are applicable to your truck use and what engine gearing options should be most beneficial for you mr consumer. It goes back to the difference between a con artist and a professional sales person.. intent. Then founded pessimism might begin at the used car lot but that is beyond Ram's responsibility.
 

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Ignorance is bliss and for the vast majority of Ecodiesel drivers, they will make it through their ownership with few if any inconveniences.

Had FCA not screwed up my experience with the AEM I would never have been unhappy with my truck. My truck is now running as good as pre AEM and I hope it continues. I have my sights on a 2021 Limited (or whenever my extended warranty expires) as my 5yr/100 warranty expires on April 11th of this year.
 

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I think people with an above average mechanical ability flock to forums like this to learn more about their vehicles, machinery

This is funny to me and makes me chuckle! No offense and I know what you're intending to say but if I look at it literally it is humorous to me because I have been on performance vehicle message boards and forums since they started being a thing. My assessment is not so. I have been on Moparts.org for many years and seen everything from professional drag racers, Chrysler engineers, top notch engine builders ALL the way down to people joining the forum to grind an axe with a supplier/vendor, shade tree mechanics posing as experts, and people joining just to talk about politics.

A message board is very much a representation of society. You're going to see all types. That's the cool thing about it though because you can delete and ignore/ edit posts/ gain insight from verified (and self-titled) experts and talk Shiite.

Again, no offense. Just a different perspective.
 

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I think people with an above average mechanical ability flock to forums like this to learn more about their vehicles, machinery etc.
Those with less mechanical abilities can be indifferent in learning anything about automotive maintenance or performing any repairs thus not on forums like ours.
I think you got suckered into buying this heap of junk like the rest of us Mr. Mechanically Inclined.
 

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I received an official notice from FCA telling me there is a problem but that they have yet not figured out how to fix it. Sit and wait for another notice.
 

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I think you got suckered into buying this heap of junk like the rest of us Mr. Mechanically Inclined.

Lol.....from the guy with 3 posts in 4 years. I'm surprised you have any inclination to even post.

Maybe you guys need to re-read the title of this thread ............btw not started by me.

My statement should not misconstrue ones mechanical ability as a personal attack on their intelligence. MECHANICAL ABILITY IS SIMPLY A PRODUCT OF ONES INTERESTS. So settle down.
 
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