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And this also confirms that if your reluctor fails similar to the way mine did with only 2.5 segments missing, your vehicle may not throw a DTC and may sound like its going to start if you just keep cranking. This was information I could not find anywhere. Now we know.

When mine failed I was not doing anything other than pulling out of my works parking lot to head home. Idle speed with no prerequisites prior to detonation.

If anyone does this with a floor jack, make yourself a wooden carriage for the trans to ride on with center of gravity kept in mind. The transfer case is left on the trans to make the job easier. This however makes the entire gearbox very back heavy. I used a ratchet strap to counter this balance issue, however I would recommend picking your load points in a better thought out position. I had a few very close calls and if that baby ratchet strap decided to snap, the night could of had a much different outcome. Not worth it. Be smarter.

Could it of been too hard to just make this a sprocket like many other vehicles? And maybe even get crazy and engineer it on the front of the block? FFS...

Up next, a GDE PCM and a new intake manifold/plenum.
 

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Fine work and a great piece of writing I might add.
 

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Oh it tastes very sweet. I had been preparing myself for the occasion of not seeing a damaged ring upon flex plate removal after all that wrenching and maneuvering. Telling myself that this has to be done anyways.

Happy is an understatement ! !
I got to be honest, I'd be sweating that also, glad you truck is on the road to recovery(y), I've got a friend that I've known since child-hood that owns a transmission shop, he has not told me a Dollar figure but said he will help me out whenever I decide to swap the tone wheel out, I have a 16 that for whatever reason is not part of the recall, but lets just say I have some trust issues with "Still-antics" 😬 :cry:
 

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I have a 16 that for whatever reason is not part of the recall
Wasn't there at least one person on the forum who lost their tone wheel even though they were not part of the recall? I was part of the recall and stopped using my 2015 on long towing trips. For the most part, I stayed within 200 miles from home and drove the 2020 truck. Fortunately for me, the tone wheel finally failed, so I was able to get it repaired under warranty.

How many miles are on your truck? It seems that most tone wheel failures occur between 90,000 - 130,000 miles. Also, do you have the updated software that keeps the truck running upon a tone wheel failure?
 

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Wasn't there at least one person on the forum who lost their tone wheel even though they were not part of the recall? I was part of the recall and stopped using my 2015 on long towing trips. For the most part, I stayed within 200 miles from home and drove the 2020 truck. Fortunately for me, the tone wheel finally failed, so I was able to get it repaired under warranty.

How many miles are on your truck? It seems that most tone wheel failures occur between 90,000 - 130,000 miles. Also, do you have the updated software that keeps the truck running upon a tone wheel failure?
Yes there have been a few IIRC that their trucks have been outside the qualifiers to be considered part of the recall, and I am pretty sure we have one member that is outside the qualifications and experienced a tone wheel failure, and was "forced" to make or have repairs done themselves, with the hope of being reimbursed, as far as mileage, I have recently eclipsed the 100k mark, I have a tone wheel ready and recently ordered the sensor.....I am in the "window" of common failure so trying to make it as painless as possible, may do a "pre-emptive" strike and worry or not worry about reimbursement, little perplexed what the criteria of not being part of recall was/is, Is it a supplier issue???, Is the "genuine" Mopar tone wheel I bought just another somewhat compromised or questionable replacement???

I have not seen a recall notice for the updated software fix, last time I checked I'm not listed for W58 or W68, I'm guessing my serial number is outside FCA's Criteria :rolleyes: :unsure:

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Yes there have been a few IIRC that their trucks have been outside the qualifiers to be considered part of the recall, and I am pretty sure we have one member that is outside the qualifications and experienced a tone wheel failure, and was "forced" to make or have repairs done themselves, with the hope of being reimbursed, as far as mileage, I have recently eclipsed the 100k mark, I have a tone wheel ready and recently ordered the sensor.....I am in the "window" of common failure so trying to make it as painless as possible, may do a "pre-emptive" strike and worry or not worry about reimbursement, little perplexed what the criteria of not being part of recall was/is, Is it a supplier issue???, Is the "genuine" Mopar tone wheel I bought just another somewhat compromised or questionable replacement???

I have not seen a recall notice for the updated software fix, last time I checked I'm not listed for W58 or W68, I'm guessing my serial number is outside FCA's Criteria :rolleyes: :unsure:

Also tuned and not looking to make any dealer visits if I can avoid it
I have a 2015 that is covered under the software fix that puts the truck in limp mode if the tone ring fails. Since I only drive 8000 miles a year or so I am thinking of having it replaced as a "maintenance item" out of pocket when my truck goes in for the HPFP. I have no problem swapping ECM's for dealer visits since I have a spare!
I have had no bad experiences at the local dealer in my area but I do believe like most they charge top dollar!
 
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Also tuned and not looking to make any dealer visits if I can avoid it
You may want to have your tuner send you the software patch. I had GDE download the software patch just for added insurance. We drove nearly two hours in derate (55 mph) to get to the dealer, but at least the software worked.
 
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You may want to have your tuner send you the software patch. I had GDE download the software patch just for added insurance. We drove nearly two hours in derate (55 mph) to get to the dealer, but at least the software worked.
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HDDS 😢 😢 😢
Oh, you're in a conundrum. On a positive note, you have a good tune, though!

If you make long out-of-state trips, then you might want to bite the bullet and have it replaced under your own terms, then file for reimbursement and hope for the best.
 

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Wasn't there at least one person on the forum who lost their tone wheel even though they were not part of the recall? I was part of the recall and stopped using my 2015 on long towing trips. For the most part, I stayed within 200 miles from home and drove the 2020 truck. Fortunately for me, the tone wheel finally failed, so I was able to get it repaired under warranty.

How many miles are on your truck? It seems that most tone wheel failures occur between 90,000 - 130,000 miles. Also, do you have the updated software that keeps the truck running upon a tone wheel failure?

My truck had 133k miles when the tonering flaked out. I did not have the software patch/recall done but I did have AAA. Which was nice.
 

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Yes there have been a few IIRC that their trucks have been outside the qualifiers to be considered part of the recall, and I am pretty sure we have one member that is outside the qualifications and experienced a tone wheel failure, and was "forced" to make or have repairs done themselves, with the hope of being reimbursed, as far as mileage, I have recently eclipsed the 100k mark, I have a tone wheel ready and recently ordered the sensor.....I am in the "window" of common failure so trying to make it as painless as possible, may do a "pre-emptive" strike and worry or not worry about reimbursement, little perplexed what the criteria of not being part of recall was/is, Is it a supplier issue???, Is the "genuine" Mopar tone wheel I bought just another somewhat compromised or questionable replacement???

I have not seen a recall notice for the updated software fix, last time I checked I'm not listed for W58 or W68, I'm guessing my serial number is outside FCA's Criteria :rolleyes: :unsure:

Also tuned and not looking to make any dealer visits if I can avoid it
As far as I know, the tonering has not had any changes as far as design or engineering is concerned. Hopefully they are using better glue nowadays. Mine just seemed to become brittle due to heat cycles and centrifugal forces.
 

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Wasn't there at least one person on the forum who lost their tone wheel even though they were not part of the recall? I was part of the recall and stopped using my 2015 on long towing trips. For the most part, I stayed within 200 miles from home and drove the 2020 truck. Fortunately for me, the tone wheel finally failed, so I was able to get it repaired under warranty.

How many miles are on your truck? It seems that most tone wheel failures occur between 90,000 - 130,000 miles. Also, do you have the updated software that keeps the truck running upon a tone wheel failure?
Bio, this was the one that stuck out for me, because I was questioning the same things :oops: , sorry, but it took me a "minute" to find it:unsure:😂😂😂

Here's my experience with a failed tone wheel on my 2015 Ecodiesel.

Accelerating onto the Interstate my truck dies.

Tow it to the dealer.

Dealer confirms with a borescope the tone wheel is damaged. They completed open recalls W58 and finally got the software to finish V08, but wouldn't do W68 b/c my VIN wasn't part of the recall.

I explained to my Service Writer, his boss, the Customer Service person at FCA and his boss that my vehicle failed in the exact way it's described in W68.. All four of these folks hid behind the list of VIN that they negotiated with NHTSA back in the summer of 2020, which doesn't cover all the trucks built in 14-16. Nobody would acknowledge the failure in my truck, only repeat the VIN safety net they negotiated for themselves. Finally FCA Customer Service Boss agreed to cover the parts (around $300), but stuck me with the 7 hours of labor to replace the tone wheel and another hour of "diagnostic" labor ($1280 in labor alone). When I asked her why W58, which is a fix for when W68 happens, is an active recall for my VIN if there's no danger of W68 actually happening to my vehicle. For that she had no answer, that's when she finally offered the parts. I should've taken the parts and done the parts swap myself, but I was so enraged at these circular conversations that I foolishly agreed to have the dealer do the repair. I also asked her directly if my participation in the Class Action Lawsuit had anything to do with my VIN not being on the list, she said absolutely not. I also asked her if the V08 (AEM) recall kicked me out of the W68 VIN list, she said no to that too. I mention that b/c I recall reading speculation about this from other folks on the forum and wanted to put this out there.

I tried to get someone to explain to me why there were faulty tone wheels sporadically installed on these engines for three years, but not all the engines had the faulty ones and how they knew which ones were faulty. I see from NHTSA documents that the faulty tone wheels were manufactured in France by Hutchinson so maybe other engines had wheels from a different factory or something, but nobody at FCA would even talk to me about how the determination process was done to get to these "affected" VIN.


The arrogance and self assuredness of these employees is the part I find most disgusting, I'd donate the $1280 to charity if I could get FCA to cover the labor to replace the faulty part. it's not even about the money for me anymore. My trucks got 230,000 miles so I don't expect everything to be a recall or warranty for the entire life of the truck, but they could've made hundreds of thousands in sales off of my family in future years, but instead they chose to cheat me out of $1280 in labor and satisfy themselves.

Bottom line: Not a pro operation.
 
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Bio, this was the one that stuck out for me, because I was questioning the same things :oops: , sorry, but it took me a "minute" to find it:unsure:😂😂😂
Nice find! The fact that he got 230,000 miles out of his tone wheel tells me that his probably wasn't from the bad batch, instead, it simply failed due to the accumulation of time and miles. What are your thoughts?
 
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Nice find! The fact that he got 230,000 miles out of his tone wheel tells me that his probably wasn't from the bad batch, instead, it simply failed due to the accumulation of time and miles. What are your thoughts?
more than likely, just like Jhauler55 mentioned. time and heat cycles, while I share the same sentiments Erf mentioned, in time I expect things to break down and be on my dime, just wondering what the circumstances for Year model/VIN and what criteria they use, surely they do not have individual tone wheels serialized to which vehicle they were installed on would they???? Maybe FCA employee could shed some light, I have also considered that the supposed bad tone wheels my have been between build dates (as being the main consideration) also hoping my replacement tone wheel is not in the same batch of suspect parts (NOS)

also I don't plan on getting 200k+ miles out of mine :oops: , mine will be addressed sooner than later;) thinking I have seen some of your post "looking" down the road, it is never a bad option(y)
 

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also I don't plan on getting 200k+ miles out of mine :oops: , mine will be addressed sooner than later;) thinking I have seen some of your post "looking" down the road, it is never a bad option(y)
That's smart on your part. As you've heard me preach many times before, I'd rather change a part on my time prematurely than be inconvenienced with a failure when it's least expected.
 

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Cover my rental? 🤣 I kid. I kid.

Thanks for the response !!
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While I wait for parts, (do not trust aftermarket OEM dealer sites. They are all out of stock on the reluctor wheel) I was super fortunate enough to come across a local preban GDE hot tuned PCM for my truck, locally, thanks to forum member tdc5152 who happened to have one for sale. I am super excited to turn off the items choking down and slowly killing my ED. Until then, we wait...
 
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