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Has anyone gotten any information on the recall affecting certain Vin # 1500 EcoDiesels. I have heard absolutely nothing since receiving the recall notice saying no solution is available, maybe in first quarter 2023. This is ridiculous, how hard is it to design a pump and produce enough of them to fix customers vehicles. I have always been a cummins driver before this eco nightmare but frankly, If Dodge (RAM) doesnt step up to the plate soon with a soundly engineered solution, I will never buy a Chrysler/Dodge/Ram product ever again (and I have owned 3 Cummins Diesel Trucks). I really would like to sell my low mileage eco and just get a 2500 with a cummins but the value on this ecodisaster is not what it should be. If they cant or wont get a fix in place, they should allow a reasonable trade above what the book price of this inferior product is and let us trade up for a 2500 Cummins model. That or a buyback..........Any lawyers out there that would like to start a class action suit over this continued nightmare???????????
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You are not the first person to complain about this and you won't be the last. Nobody has heard anything official regarding parts availability. The original recall document said early 23, last fall we heard June of 23, a month or 2 ago we heard third quarter of 23 and a separate account of october, which aligns with the 3rd quarter estimate. All of those are unofficial though, so who knows.

Think about it this way. The CP4 has been a known issue on many different engines for over a decade. Of all the engines that have used it, The EcoD seems to have fewer issues than any of the other platforms, and yet RAM is the only manufacturer doing a recall. You should be happy they are at least doing something for you, and not hanging you out to dry like GM and VW do to their customers. And I would think if you're concerned about getting a "soundly engineered solution" you would want them to take a little extra time and do it right. Of course if your pump grenaded and your truck is sitting at a dealer waiting for parts, the story is a little different.

And as for your comment about the cummins, it is not perfect (no vehicle is) and it is subject to recalls too. 2019 and 2020 model year cummins engines also used the CP4 and are also going through a recall, so you'd be in basically the same boat. There is also a transmission recall for some of them (I forget the years). And parts availability is questionable for a lot of different recalls from many different manufacturers right now, not just the EcoD.

Is it right? No. Do we have a choice? Not really. So unless your truck is sitting dead at the dealer waiting for parts that aren't available, there's no point in complaining about it. Just drive your truck, enjoy it, and sit back and wait for your brand new free pump.
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I read yesterday that Chevy has started a recall for their CP4 pumps
That would be big news, and one more nail in the CP4s coffin. Imagine if that forced Bosch to recall the pumps (instead of Ram, GM, etc.), it would be another Takata scenario, though likely not as widespread
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Has anyone gotten any information on the recall affecting certain Vin # 1500 EcoDiesels. I have heard absolutely nothing since receiving the recall notice saying no solution is available, maybe in first quarter 2023. This is ridiculous, how hard is it to design a pump and produce enough of them to fix customers vehicles. I have always been a cummins driver before this eco nightmare but frankly, If Dodge (RAM) doesnt step up to the plate soon with a soundly engineered solution, I will never buy a Chrysler/Dodge/Ram product ever again (and I have owned 3 Cummins Diesel Trucks). I really would like to sell my low mileage eco and just get a 2500 with a cummins but the value on this ecodisaster is not what it should be. If they cant or wont get a fix in place, they should allow a reasonable trade above what the book price of this inferior product is and let us trade up for a 2500 Cummins model. That or a buyback..........Any lawyers out there that would like to start a class action suit over this continued nightmare???????????
Has your pump failed ? It seems rare that they do.. And by the way Cummins has the same problem with the pump. But have reverted to the old style.
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The pump has not failed although the vehicle is more sluggish than it has been in the past. Frankly, I have concerns about putting too many more miles on it until this situation gets sorted out. If it does fail (and I am by far not an expert nor a mechanic), will I end up with a vehicle sitting at the dealer with no solution or worse yet an imploded engine that they may or may not stand behind and replace? I particularly was insulted by the part of the recall notice warning me that the condition should it occur could result in complete loss of power thus creating a crash hazard. It is almost like they are saying park it or you have been warned (and thus liability transferred) that your driving the vehicle could cause an accident.
You are not the first person to complain about this and you won't be the last. Nobody has heard anything official regarding parts availability. The original recall document said early 23, last fall we heard June of 23, a month or 2 ago we heard third quarter of 23 and a separate account of october, which aligns with the 3rd quarter estimate. All of those are unofficial though, so who knows.
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Don't forget the claim that the "new" design is already being installed in Canada! Pass the salt.
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The pump has not failed
Where I grew up this is called "whining".
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Don't forget the claim that the "new" design is already being installed in Canada! Pass the salt.
I love that salty rumor!
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The pump has not failed although the vehicle is more sluggish than it has been in the past. Frankly, I have concerns about putting too many more miles on it until this situation gets sorted out. If it does fail (and I am by far not an expert nor a mechanic), will I end up with a vehicle sitting at the dealer with no solution or worse yet an imploded engine that they may or may not stand behind and replace? I particularly was insulted by the part of the recall notice warning me that the condition should it occur could result in complete loss of power thus creating a crash hazard. It is almost like they are saying park it or you have been warned (and thus liability transferred) that your driving the vehicle could cause an accident.
From what we've heard on this forum, CP4 failures are less common than cranks failing, which could also potentially lead to a crash. Of the CP4 failures, I don't recall hearing of any leading to a crash. My guesstimate is that that risk is pretty far down the list compared to drunk drivers, sleepy drivers, texting drivers, blowouts, etc. as far as risk to life and limb. They haven't said "don't drive it" as has been advised with some other recalls. YMMV!
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The entire history of the eco diesel debacle whether deserved or not has resulted in my loss of value as the market is somewhat skittish about purchasing the vehicles thus lowering resale value. So many issues and so few solutions in a timely manner. I feel fortunate that my vehicle has not to date been one of the horror stories so frequently discussed. Other than a period before software updates when I had a dash light go off virtually every time I got in the vehicle, I have suffered no significant failures. I do not drive the vehicle as much as a daily commuter would and have never towed with it. It.s a loaded Longhorn Laramie with 50,000 mi on it. After the original extended warranty ran out on the vehicle, I actually purchased another extended warranty due to my discomfort (not something I would normally do and believe me, it was not cheap). In talking to a number of used car/truck dealers about trading it in, many have just said no, its a potentially problematic truck that we do not wish to pass on to our customers or have offered ridiculously low trade in values. I purchased the vehicle for a significant amount of money thinking it would probably be my last truck purchase due to my age and previous experience with Cummins engines longevity. The need for a 3/4 ton truck or larger with significantly lower fuel efficiency was eliminated when I became disabled. No longer towing big boats/rvs all over the country. I was sold on this investment due to fuel efficiency and the fact that this is not a "new" engine. Has been used for years in the industrial market (just like the Cummins). In my considered opinion, they should have offered a buy back option rather than the very unfair settlement agreement arrived at. And that was over emissions and resulted in a vehicle that did not acheive the very fuel efficiency that led me to purchase it in the first place. If they don't get it together and fix it where I feel comfortable to drive it out, they effectively stole 30 or 40,000 dollars from me as far as I am concerned and I will never purchase a Chrysler/Dodge/Ram vehicle ever again (and I have owned a few).
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And no disrespect for the post regarding YMMV.....

Urban Dictionary: ymmv
Literally means "Your mileage may vary" but is often used in forum talk meaning that your results will vary

It sounds likd a Chrysler/Dodge/Ram troll with plenty of paid time on their hands.
And I do not think that the "whining" comment is a very intelligent observation, especially from someone in a State that has nothing but whiners. See you bought a late model eco knowing full well the problems they have had with this vehicle, real bright, don't need your opinion, I have no respect for anyone with that level of IQ.
Anyway, I got the answer to my question which was, has anyone heard of the solution and when. Nope, no one and apparently I'm not the only individual somewhat peeved about a no solution recall letter telling me I might be involved in a crash and be hurt or killed or god forbid hurt or kill someone else. What a joke. The dealership's attitude has also factored into my frustration level. The same dealer who sold me the product claiming all it's virtues and one other to boot. It's like they couldn't give a damn less and just hope the issue will go away after these vehicles advance in age.
Anyway, I got the answer to my question which was, has anyone heard of the solution and when. Nope, no one and apparently I'm not the only individual somewhat peeved about a no solution recall letter telling me I might be involved in a crash and be hurt or killed or god forbid hurt or kill someone else. What a joke. The dealership's attitude has also factored into my frustration level. The same dealer who sold me the product claiming all it's virtues and one other to boot. It's like they couldn't give a damn less and just hope the issue will go away after these vehicles advance in age.
I'm not "peeved", I'm elated with the Z46 recall. They replaced the CP4.2 pump on my 2020 3500 HO because 2019 & 2020s developed an unacceptable failure rate. The Ecodiesel has no failure rate to speak of so to make such an expensive and improving pump upgrade was a total surprise. You do smack of whining over nothing. As SlowRoller (the "troll") said in Post #10, a lot can happen way before an Eco pump failure.

And, I believe you did get your question answered. Z46 is the solution. Z46 has a note:
Owners may also contact the National Highway Traffc Safety Administration Vehicle Safety Hotline at 1-888-327-4236 (TTY 1-800-424-9153), or go to www.nhtsa.gov.
Allows you to vent at the NTSA who instigated the recall

Cheers!
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If your reply satisfies your need, so be it. I always respect another's opinion or perception
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And I do not think that the "whining" comment is a very intelligent observation, especially from someone in a State that has nothing but whiners. See you bought a late model eco knowing full well the problems they have had with this vehicle, real bright, don't need your opinion, I have no respect for anyone with that level of IQ.
And yet here you are, in all your glory, asking internet experts for help with a problem that doesn't even exist in your truck. Way to be real man.
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It's ok to have differing perspectives, otherwise life would be boring, but it's key to be respectful we appreciate your input @John Jensen @Olypopper .

Always learning 🤠
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And no disrespect for the post regarding YMMV.....

Urban Dictionary: ymmv
Literally means "Your mileage may vary" but is often used in forum talk meaning that your results will vary

It sounds likd a Chrysler/Dodge/Ram troll with plenty of paid time on their hands.
You've kinda lost perspective if you think I'm a "Chrysler/Dodge/Ram troll with plenty of paid time on their hands." That couldn't be farther from the truth! And calling Alaska ...
......a State that has nothing but whiners.
seems pretty rude!
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You are "living in your fears"...says Mike Tomlin the Steeler coach.

Frankly, I do not blame you for being uneasy about that pump. Still, as others have mentioned, the CP4 does NOT have a major failure rate in the Ecodiesel. "Major" is the key word. You probably can go many thousands of miles or maybe a hundred thousand more miles on that CP4 with no issues. If losing sleep on this issue is so awful for you, lose more on the reluctor wheel injector timing, front cover, turbo and more issues that are far more common.

There is no present solution for you on the CP4 issue. For us Cummins owners, we are having (I already had) a CP3 pump installed to replace our CP4's. That was easy as Cummins had been using the CP3's for years and the swap back was simple. Not so for the Ecodiesel. There has never been another pump used ever in the Ecodiesel. That's the way it is.

You are welcome to live in your fears. I think it's a problem you have to live with. Try not too share your fears with others. It does you no good and makes many of us question your stability. Drink a "cold one" and enjoy each day as a gift. Things will work out so enjoy the ride.
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