[overlook637]

What the hell is going on with these engines? How does an engine make it to 47,000 miles with an underlying manufacturer defect? It seems like it would have blown a long time ago. There is definitely something that FCA knows about our trucks/engines that we don't considering they completely redesigned Gen3 engines.

The prior post that had the emails from FCA to the EPA stated that FCA thinks (assumes or evidence based?) that the main bearings fail due to oil viscosity. Solution (or guess) was to change from 5w30 to 5w40 oil. What other engines have you ever heard of being that picky on oil viscosity? How did the engine ever pass lab testing with the 5w30 oil if the problem is the oil? Forum evidence of some owners still using 5w30 without failure and new trucks with correct 5w40 having failure tells me that FCA took a guess that the problem was oil. Or at the very least FCA calculated that thicker 5w40 oil would mitigate some of the failures until after warranty time.

 

[MAS]

Pretty sure when warranty is up im going to go to a 7000 mile oil change and run a 15w40 oil. Ill use UOA to go from there.

 

[justind]

The prior post that had the emails from FCA to the EPA stated that FCA thinks (assumes or evidence based?) that the main bearings fail due to oil viscosity. Solution (or guess) was to change from 5w30 to 5w40 oil. What other engines have you ever heard of being that picky on oil viscosity? How did the engine ever pass lab testing with the 5w30 oil if the problem is the oil? Forum evidence of some owners still using 5w30 without failure and new trucks with correct 5w40 having failure tells me that FCA took a guess that the problem was oil. Or at the very least FCA calculated that thicker 5w40 oil would mitigate some of the failures until after warranty time.

I think they switched to 5w40 to try to minimize failures however as we have seen that wasn't the root issue..

 

[justind]

Pretty sure when warranty is up im going to go to a 7000 mile oil change and run a 15w40 oil. Ill use UOA to go from there.

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This looks like fantastic oil and carries Chrysler MS 10902 , Cummins CES20086, CES20081 etc

 

[overlook637]

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Pretty sure when warranty is up im going to go to a 7000 mile oil change and run a 15w40 oil. Ill use UOA to go from there.

40 weight oil is 40 weight mostly regardless if its 0w40, 5w40, 15w40. Check out the amsoil sheet on it https://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g3467.pdf to compare. Nearly all of the oil in that series have the same manufacture ratings/approval and testing about the same on wear/scar test. I am using this amsoil series in 5w30 with factory oil change life meter.

 

[Ecosparky]

The FCA oil switch also included a change to Rotella T6 from a Penzoil synthetic.

 

[Brokedownbutgood]

The FCA oil switch also included a change to Rotella T6 from a Penzoil synthetic.

Yep they changed there paid endorsement, probably the main reason for the change anyways.

 

[bobcat67]

Pennzoil is Shell or SOPUS, Shell oil products United States, Shell also owns Rotella brand products


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[DrivingZiggy]

Pretty sure when warranty is up im going to go to a 7000 mile oil change and run a 15w40 oil. Ill use UOA to go from there.

Why waste the money on analysis if you're going to short-change it anyhow?

 

[biodiesel]

The purpose for taking an oil analysis is to see what's going on inside the engine. It doesn't matter when you pull the sample. Once you establish a baseline, it's good to be consistent on when you pull the sample so that you can compare samples.

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[MAS]

Why waste the money on analysis if you're going to short-change it anyhow?
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See how dino oil hold up. If the analysis says its good for longer I will.

 

[overlook637]

I am doing UOA as a safety check. Maybe just maybe if I am in the 2-4% of failures that a UOA change will come back with metal before it detonates. Then I put it on a trailer to the stealership, unload 1 mile from dealership and trade it it.

 

[Jdeane33]

All. I purchased a 2016 ecodeisel in August of 18. I’ve changed the oils every 10k. One time I think I was at 10200. Two weeks ago it blew a head gasket and oil mix with coolant. Chrysler is telling me it need a new radiator, heating core, and engine to the time of 13k. They are denying my warranty claim due to negligence. It has 79k miles on it. The last three times I changed the oil myself and have receipts showing as such. The last change was in January of this year. The District Manager says the “oil filter had a dent in it and there was sludge.” They haven’t dropped the pan. Filed a claim with Chrysler and all they say is we can’t go against the district manager. I’m beyond frustrated and feel like Chrysler is being unethical. I read through this thread. Does anyone have any advice. I’m getting ready to talk to a lawyer and file complaints with the state Attorney General’s office and the BBB. The seems unreal that there is not a process to appeal the omnipotent district manager.

 

[keyt.michael]

All. I purchased a 2016 ecodeisel in August of 18. I’ve changed the oils every 10k. One time I think I was at 10200. Two weeks ago it blew a head gasket and oil mix with coolant. Chrysler is telling me it need a new radiator, heating core, and engine to the time of 13k. They are denying my warranty claim due to negligence. It has 79k miles on it. The last three times I changed the oil myself and have receipts showing as such. The last change was in January of this year. The District Manager says the “oil filter had a dent in it and there was sludge.” They haven’t dropped the pan. Filed a claim with Chrysler and all they say is we can’t go against the district manager. I’m beyond frustrated and feel like Chrysler is being unethical. I read through this thread. Does anyone have any advice. I’m getting ready to talk to a lawyer and file complaints with the state Attorney General’s office and the BBB. The seems unreal that there is not a process to appeal the omnipotent district manager.

I just wanted to say I am sorry and good luck.... If that happens to my wifes jeep, I would get rid of it....

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[RossCountyRam]

All. I purchased a 2016 ecodeisel in August of 18. I’ve changed the oils every 10k. One time I think I was at 10200. Two weeks ago it blew a head gasket and oil mix with coolant. Chrysler is telling me it need a new radiator, heating core, and engine to the time of 13k. They are denying my warranty claim due to negligence. It has 79k miles on it. The last three times I changed the oil myself and have receipts showing as such. The last change was in January of this year. The District Manager says the “oil filter had a dent in it and there was sludge.” They haven’t dropped the pan. Filed a claim with Chrysler and all they say is we can’t go against the district manager. I’m beyond frustrated and feel like Chrysler is being unethical. I read through this thread. Does anyone have any advice. I’m getting ready to talk to a lawyer and file complaints with the state Attorney General’s office and the BBB. The seems unreal that there is not a process to appeal the omnipotent district manager.

Sounds like the oil filter collapsed?


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[Jdeane33]

This is what the filter looked like when they pulled it out.

 

[MR. TED]

That is one of the worst filters i have ever seen Poor engine must have been starving for oil for some time.

 

[Jdeane33]

The oil was changed 4 weeks prior to this picture. No indications of a leak.

 

[MR. TED]

The oil was changed 4 weeks prior to this picture. No indications of a leak.

Unless you did it yourself it looks hard to believe.

 

[Jdeane33]

Oil was changed the third week of January. The head gasket blew on Feb 13th. After the head gasket blew the oil dipstick was still showing half way between min and max. No indications of an issue up until it blew. No oil in the drive way. It wasn’t running funny or making any noises. I did changed the oil myself and have about every other oil change since I have owned it just like all of my vehicles.