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Well fellas I can now say I have the only 2020 eco fully deleted and tuned. Just removed the primary cooler and obviously straight piped the truck, still working on how to get the secondary out but hey got time for that as I allow all the others to catch up. Funny thing is i have accomplished everything in my garage. Don’t know why these company’s swear it to be so difficult.
 

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There is companies up north that have been testing theres for months now. The reason it takes them longer is they need to test the products throughly then figure out production and pricing which takes time. Hell gde wont release something tell they test it in all fours seasons.
 

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Well I’m in negative 7 right now and have been rolling around basically all year with no issues. So I don’t know what they are testing for that I have not, I have towed 7k for 4hr plus trips and in town many days and I have driven in stop and go traffic for many hours and days I have also traveled to Florida 1800 miles one way and spent 3 weeks down there no issues. So basically they only thing I have not tuned is the transmission because i feel there is no need to and with the extra 65hp this thing really feels like a monster. My truck now has 18k miles happily tuned.
 

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18k on a Gen 3 and tuned the whole time? With no issues?

So did you do this yourself with HP tuners or did you get it from a third party company? Are you their test vehicle?
 

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18k on a Gen 3 and tuned the whole time? With no issues?

So did you do this yourself with HP tuners or did you get it from a third party company? Are you their test vehicle?
No I did not use HP tuner nor am I a test vehicle. I have accomplished my tune by writing to the ecu. Via software on my laptop. I was also the first to remove the defuser pipe on a gen 3 and roll around like that. I have 23k mile 18k which have been tuned.
 

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Main difference in the color delete for the gen 3 will be these two coolant lines, on the hard line the gen 2 has a hole for a bolt that goes to the block. On gen 3 no hole as you can see from photos and on the rubber lines gen 2 has a line that goes upward from the housing gen 3 does not.
 

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Taking parts off the vehicle and turning off the codes is not the difficult or time consuming part. Testing and validation takes more time. If amping up the power levels, best to pull fully loaded trailers up Davis Dam at 100 F in the summer and also Eisenhower pass in CO with 75 F ambient. Both these are extreme tests that will weed out so-so tuning. Have you measured turbo shaft speeds at full load stock vs. tuned? Any data on cylinder pressure with this added power? These are a couple key parameters needed to determine engine life.

Now put all the parts back on, develop a tune with added power, improved fuel economy, cleaner engine oil while still keeping it road legal and meeting EPA regulations. This is not an easy venture.
 

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Taking parts off the vehicle and turning off the codes is not the difficult or time consuming part. Testing and validation takes more time. If amping up the power levels, best to pull fully loaded trailers up Davis Dam at 100 F in the summer and also Eisenhower pass in CO with 75 F ambient. Both these are extreme tests that will weed out so-so tuning. Have you measured turbo shaft speeds at full load stock vs. tuned? Any data on cylinder pressure with this added power? These are a couple key parameters needed to determine engine life.

Now put all the parts back on, develop a tune with added power, improved fuel economy, cleaner engine oil while still keeping it road legal and meeting EPA regulations. This is not an easy venture.
you are right it’s not an easy task, but while you guys are scared of your shadows and won’t even answer my questions when I have called i have had to take matters on to my own hands. If you have read my previous post I have towed max weight and have been in different temp levels have not gone through those passes you have mentioned. I have successfully added 65hp to my truck with safe readings and it’s been so for 18k miles. You guys won’t even give support for the already tuned 2 gen i have with your tune on it. But don’t worry this is not about selling a product for me or taking customers it a hobby and enjoy pushing myself. Also I hate owning a 55k truck that is un reliable my truck broke down with only 800 miles on it due to the def system. Hey maybe if you guys would answer the phone we can have a decent conversation and maybe I could help you guys speed up the process for all the guys that want your compliant tune. Let me know id love to help you guys.
 

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Taking parts off the vehicle and turning off the codes is not the difficult or time consuming part. Testing and validation takes more time. If amping up the power levels, best to pull fully loaded trailers up Davis Dam at 100 F in the summer and also Eisenhower pass in CO with 75 F ambient. Both these are extreme tests that will weed out so-so tuning. Have you measured turbo shaft speeds at full load stock vs. tuned? Any data on cylinder pressure with this added power? These are a couple key parameters needed to determine engine life.

Now put all the parts back on, develop a tune with added power, improved fuel economy, cleaner engine oil while still keeping it road legal and meeting EPA regulations. This is not an easy venture.
I’m not trying to be an ass. I know you guys are under pressure, just saying I think you guys should still give service to the individuals that have gen 2s I mean everyone was left high and dry. You guys use to give amazing customer service so much so I was a customer. And in my opinion making a tune that is compliant and keeping the oil clean is far fetch as long as that egr is dumping into the motor you will be fighting an uphill battle, unless you are trying to minimize the EGRs function then maybe the oil with stay cleaner a bit longer. I hope you guys figure it out soon for everyone on here!
 

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@EcoNoob i understand your frustration with no support on the gen2 pre epa tune. However I think GDE could land in hot water if the epa knew they were still supporting their old tunes.

I reached out to GDE for help when I was trying to figure out what was wrong with my engine. I presume Keith was on the other end of the email. We went back and forth several times where he provided me with direction and advice when I asked for it.
 

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@EcoNoob i understand your frustration with no support on the gen2 pre epa tune. However I think GDE could land in hot water if the epa knew they were still supporting their old tunes.

I reached out to GDE for help when I was trying to figure out what was wrong with my engine. I presume Keith was on the other end of the email. We went back and forth several times where he provided me with direction and advice when I asked for it.
Well you got more than I did I received an email saying put all your parts back on and take it to the dealer for repair and then buy our emission compliant tune. Lol come on. I mean really let’s think about this they are working on a tune that emissions friendly but what as the consumer are you really buying??? Reliability??? No the systems are still there and functioning if your def or egr fail you will still receive the 500 mile limit and then no start code. And let’s say their hot tune some how destroys your engine and the dealer sees the truck was tuned wether emissions are intact or not they will call it the cause of failure so then what??? $1500 for a non reliable truck and a few extra horsepower don’t see the justification even if it’s $800 rather buy a pedal Comander
 

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Your curiosity and skills would be welcomed a years ago but things are much different today. The public isn't fond of anything rolling coal and diesel lovers dislike anyone giving giving diesel a bad name.

And of course few if any established US tune companies today would risk their business helping someone break the law. And it might be even crazier to assume any sophisticated person would respond to an email (think forensics) with instructions on how to break the law.
 

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Your curiosity and skills would be welcomed a years ago but things are much different today. The public isn't fond of anything rolling coal and diesel lovers dislike anyone giving giving diesel a bad name.

And of course few if any established US tune companies today would risk their business helping someone break the law. And it might be even crazier to assume any sophisticated person would respond to an email (think forensics) with instructions on how to break the law.
well no one seemed to mind breaking the law including the so called establishments and sophisticated individuals until they got called out. That always seems to be the way it goes everyone is all in until they get in trouble and start talking straight like they never did anything wrong. There was no difference in the epa’s standard back then as there is now. It was always illegal oh wait sorry if it was off road purposes only then magically you where compliant. Please.
 

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Your curiosity and skills would be welcomed a years ago but things are much different today. The public isn't fond of anything rolling coal and diesel lovers dislike anyone giving giving diesel a bad name.

And of course few if any established US tune companies today would risk their business helping someone break the law. And it might be even crazier to assume any sophisticated person would respond to an email (think forensics) with instructions on how to break the law.
And just because you are tuned does not mean you will be rolling coal, I do not like the idea of rolling coal but I do like spending 55k of my hard earned money to last me as long as it should in a veh that does not break down because of defective equipment that the fca has still yet to this day been able to get right.
 
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