[My_Red_Ram]

Which sends me back to my original post. Looks like it will be an addendum to the original spec. Basically saying "either/or". If they send a cease and desist/replace the old spec, that may lead to trouble.

So, I ask one thing.............I wonder if this change in spec at the assembly plant in Italy as well, has anything to do with the lower end engine failures? Because, as has been proven through many oil analysis, the factory assembly line full is unknown and not the same as any recommended oil available to us. I'm certainly curious, as my source didn't supply this same info as GDE just did. The exact language of the new supplement is tantamount in these cases.

 

[Mr lucky]

I feel FCA would like nothing better than to have a reason to void your customers warranty. Or are you saying FCA is going to endorse your tune also . I'm running your tune but excuse me this sounds fishy.if we switch before getting true FCA notification were toast and could definitely loose our warranty

 

[VernDiesel]

The Euro L has worked well for me for 145,000 with great lab results even with extended 15,000 mile intervals. That said I switched to the T6 because of convenience ie I could buy it local, and cost, and last confidence in it being a good product for our truck including the emissions system. Post warranty I don't care about the emission side as if I had a problem I would delete & upgrade my GDE tune but I mentioned it because most are still under warranty and should do what it necessary to protect it.

Thank you GDE for answering questions about oils T6 & emissions on that a long time ago. Oh and I have had good extended oil analysis results on the T6 as well. Also thanks to whomever gave the heads up on O Reiley's special with rebate as it brought the price down to $3.75 a quart. Hence you see 12 gallons in my garage.

 

[01TwoForty]

Interesting....I guess they are tired of replacing engines.

 

[u130747]

The Euro L has worked well for me for 145,000 with great lab results even with extended 15,000 mile intervals. That said I switched to the T6 because of convenience ie I could buy it local, and cost, and last confidence in it being a good product for our truck including the emissions system. Post warranty I don't care about the emission side as if I had a problem I would delete & upgrade my GDE tune but I mentioned it because most are still under warranty and should do what it necessary to protect it.

Thank you GDE for answering questions about oils T6 & emissions on that a long time ago. Oh and I have had good extended oil analysis results on the T6 as well. Also thanks to whomever gave the heads up on O Reiley's special with rebate as it brought the price down to $3.75 a quart. Hence you see 12 gallons in my garage.
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You are welcome. I just found it cheaper at walmart.com 3 gallon pack with free shipping to house.

Shell Rotella Synthetic 5W-40 Motor Oil, 1 Gallon (Casepack of 3 units) - Walmart.com

Same rebate on shell.

Save $5 per gallon rebate | Shell


ENJOY. I just ordered 3 gallon for me.

 

[TCDiesel]

We would not steer folks in the wrong direction. FCA has been testing the Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 for a few months now. All the trucks currently being built are stuck in containment at the assembly plant until an oil change is performed to the 5W-40. The oil has already been changed in Italy at the assembly plant. We would expect dealer notification within the next month or sooner. FCA gave us the go ahead to tell all our customers to switch to the 5W-40 Shell Rotella oil at the next oil change.

LOL .... We have steered owners form MS11106 for over two years.You can find Threads at the TDR1 early (2014) concerning the Spec I posted in FEB 15 That My ED will be raised on T-6 here at this forum,We posted that MS11106 (100s of times) it was NOT the correct additive package.NOW T-6 ( Or any lube) will NOT stop poor assembly inferior parts form showing their ugly head.... I'll wait for the official documentation to be released.

When I believe I'm correct I don't need to wait for The maker to get on board, Nor do I need there endorsement.

 

[Captainmal]

Aside fro the "bombshell" GDE added, I bet the new oils PC11 oils are more costly that the older ones. So, I wonder if the change interval recommendations will also change?

Now I need to go get some T6.

 

[John Jensen]

You are welcome. I just found it cheaper at walmart.com 3 gallon pack with free shipping to house.

Shell Rotella Synthetic 5W-40 Motor Oil, 1 Gallon (Casepack of 3 units) - Walmart.com

Same rebate on shell.

Save $5 per gallon rebate | Shell

ENJOY. I just ordered 3 gallon for me.

The Shell Rebate site does not list Walmart as a participating dealer. I suggest you contact Shell to determine if the rebate is good for a Walmart purchase.

 

[AustinRam]

The Shell Rebate site does not list Walmart as a participating dealer. I suggest you contact Shell to determine if the rebate is good for a Walmart purchase.

I've submitted a Walmart receipt in the past while selecting "Other" from the list of participating dealers and was never denied the rebate from either Shell ($5 per gallon) or the very similar rebate fulfillment site for Pennzoil ($2 per quart).

 

[GDE]

Hey GDE, that is very interesting! Thank you for sharing! I ordered a truck a few months ago and imagine it must likely be sitting in limbo for this reason.... Does this mean that they will go back on trucks that are still at the factory, but had the original oil and put T6 in instead? If that were the case they must be highly motivated to make the change rather than let those ones run one change worth of the original oil and just change it at the first interval.


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Any truck built cannot be shipped from the plant to the dealer until the oil has been changed. Dealer documentation will be coming forthwith. The spec'd oil will be same as what stocked for the Cummins at the dealers (Rotella T6 5w40 with rating SAE CJ-4), but any quality synthetic diesel oil meeting that SAE spec will work fine as well.

 

[RyeWhisky]

Thanks GDE! I really appreciate all of your insight!


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[u130747]

It works when you scroll to bottom and select other.

 

[VernDiesel]

Yeah u130747 after rebate that equals $3.33 a quart! Man no wonder I couldn't remember your screen name. You need something in your signature or something that says the whole world just calls me Hank. Or something lol.

 

[u130747]

Yeah u130747 after rebate that equals $3.33 a quart! Man no wonder I couldn't remember your screen name. You need something in your signature or something that says the whole world just calls me Hank. Or something lol.

That was my employee number at United Airlines. My real name is Bert.

 

[My_Red_Ram]

I currently have T6 in my Amazon "subscribe & save" list where I get the 3gal pack delivered every 4 months @ $48.86ea.

 

[ThunderRam]

We would not steer folks in the wrong direction. FCA has been testing the Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 for a few months now. All the trucks currently being built are stuck in containment at the assembly plant until an oil change is performed to the 5W-40. The oil has already been changed in Italy at the assembly plant. We would expect dealer notification within the next month or sooner. FCA gave us the go ahead to tell all our customers to switch to the 5W-40 Shell Rotella oil at the next oil change.

So let me get this straight,after all the drama about needing to use the Euro spec synthetic oil at all costs, NOW FCA is going to flip the spec to the same T6 5W40 I always used in my Cummins but was told to avoid in my ED????

I was just going to go in this week and buy the Mopar Essential Maintenance package for the ED using the Euro Spec oil, now I better wait.

SO far I like my ED, just under 2000 miles on it, but "What the Hell"????

Doesn't FCA or VM KNOW what the best oil for these engines is???

If the MS11106 spec isn't good, will FCA pay to take it out of my motor??? Or any repairs because of the other oil??? AND, will they change the specs again down the road if they discover that the T6 isn't doing the job???

Don't want to sound like a crybaby, but, Geez, I just wanted a nice little 1500 diesel and not all this drama about the ED blowing up, changing oil specs, etc.

GDE, is there any way an owner can confirm this oil spec change or do we have to sit back and wait.

(I can't wait to explain this to my dealer, after having to educate them on the need to quote me for the Euro spec oil maintenance package and not the Cummins Rotella pckage)

 

[ThunderRam]

I currently have T6 in my Amazon "subscribe & save" list where I get the 3gal pack delivered every 4 months @ $48.86ea.

That's a pretty outstanding price. Is that Amazon Prime?? Best I could just find in a quick search is $57 a 3 gal pack.

 

[GDE]

The choice of changing oil specs could be for multiple reasons. Using the same oil as the Cummins simplifies logistics within FCA a bit. A 40 weight oil helps hydrodynamic effects in certain operating conditions. The ED seems to regenerate quite often in stock form and oil dilution could be a potential issue depending on drive cycle. Certain US/Canada fuels might have a different effect vs. Euro fuel on the engine oil properties. I think the Shell oil has a higher TBN vs. factory if the memory is not failing and might be able to handle fuel dilution better. Oil change intervals might need to change based on driving habits vs. the typical 10,000 miles. Blackstone tells us we can run 15,000 miles OCI, but we still change it every 10,000 miles.

 

[GDE]

So let me get this straight,after all the drama about needing to use the Euro spec synthetic oil at all costs, NOW FCA is going to flip the spec to the same T6 5W40 I always used in my Cummins but was told to avoid in my ED????

I was just going to go in this week and buy the Mopar Essential Maintenance package for the ED using the Euro Spec oil, now I better wait.

SO far I like my ED, just under 2000 miles on it, but "What the Hell"????

Doesn't FCA or VM KNOW what the best oil for these engines is???

If the MS11106 spec isn't good, will FCA pay to take it out of my motor??? Or any repairs because of the other oil??? AND, will they change the specs again down the road if they discover that the T6 isn't doing the job???

Don't want to sound like a crybaby, but, Geez, I just wanted a nice little 1500 diesel and not all this drama about the ED blowing up, changing oil specs, etc.

GDE, is there any way an owner can confirm this oil spec change or do we have to sit back and wait.

(I can't wait to explain this to my dealer, after having to educate them on the need to quote me for the Euro spec oil maintenance package and not the Cummins Rotella pckage)

I would not worry about it and just wait for the TSB to reach the field. FCA knows about bottom end failures and most likely they will cover any failure in the field as least up to 100,000 miles, since it seems to be a known issue. It would be good for customer relations and retention in the future. We run the same oil in every test vehicle and it is a 5W-40. In warmer climates the 15W-40 is a good oil, CJ rated.

 

[ThunderRam]

Thanks for feedback GDE!!

I ran T6 Rotella 5W40 in my Cummins year round without any motor issues, granted it's a different animal, and would really like nothing more than to be able to use it again because I have 6 gallons still sitting in my garage !