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Looks like you're having some fun. Do you have the factory air suspension?



Why do you need the oil pan torque spec?
My bad; Correction; Oil drain plug torque spec*** so I can note it on the oil change post. It wasn't on "tight" at all from factory, but it also has threads that just stop when it's bottomed, so i just snugged it from there and called it day since I didn't hear back. But i torque wrench everything I can.

Yea, Factory Air. I love it. That and the multi-function tailgate are 2 most useful features for me. I use the split gate all of the time, loading and unloading heavy stuff.

The air with auto-level did the ticket when towing. Being able to stay in aero mode is cool too.
I use the air to orient the trailer angle also for loading/unloading. Plus I lower the truck when going in parking garages. There's one in particular that I wouldn't be able to get in to without entry exit mode (maybe aero mode but not risking it). It makes me a little leery pulling in there but I'd rather keep the truck under shelter as much as possible.

Looking at the truck, i wish they did 8' box but I get with the huge cab and all, for a 1500, they keep it at that length. I'm glad I didn't get ramboxes. 1) i could never live with the baby sized bed. and 2) the extra space around the wheel wells is actually necessary when you're packing the bed with stuff and need space to move around. The boxed in bed with the RamBox trucks wouldn't give me any room and i'd get pinched in there with some of the stuff I've moved so far.
So i def made the right choice for myself. To each their own tho.
I'll do a post of what I opted for and how i value the options then.
 

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My bad; Correction; Oil drain plug torque spec*** so I can note it on the oil change post.
Have you considered getting a fumoto drain valve?

Yea, Factory Air. I love it.
I regretted not having the factory air suspension on my 2015. I made sure the air suspension was added we ordered the 2020. I do a lot of heavy towing, so the air bags are a must for me.

Looking at the truck, i wish they did 8' box but I get with the huge cab and all, for a 1500, they keep it at that length.
I don't use my truck bed for much, so I'm okay with the short bed. As a matter of fact, I'm trying to figure out which in-bed auxiliary fuel tank to install.

I'm glad I didn't get ramboxes. 1) i could never live with the baby sized bed. and 2) the extra space around the wheel wells is actually necessary when you're packing the bed with stuff and need space to move around.
I kind of wished I had gotten the Ram Boxes. Like I said, I mostly use a bed for tools and fuel, otherwise, I trailer a lot of stuff. I have a dump trailer, equipment trailer, and I'm hoping to order an enclosed car hauler sometime in the next 12 months or so.



 
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Have you considered getting a fumoto drain valve?
Yep, i found it while browsing the web while my oil was draining on the first change 😂
So i'll probably get one for the next oil change. And i know they don't have a torque spec for that install. Just like 1/8 turn past full thread seat.

Yea, we all have our own bed needs. The RamBoxes were cool and I'd def put stuff in there; just the total package for me wasn't right.

I just put up the initial oil change post. I might have time later today and i'll throw up another post of my truck and what I think so far of the 2020 3rd Gen ED.
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And i know they don't have a torque spec for that install. Just like 1/8 turn past full thread seat.
Just like you, I'm a torque junkie. I only own one snap-on tool, and it's a torque wrench! By the way, here's the recommended torque from Fumoto.

MODEL #THREAD SIZERECOMMENDED TORQUE (in lbs)RECOMMENDED TORQUE (ft lbs)
F101, F101N, F101S, F101SX1/2-20 UNF22118
F102S, F102SXPF-3/822118
F-133, F133N, F133S, F103SXM12-1.2517715
F-104, F104N, F104S, ADP-104M18-1.522118
F-105, F105N, F105SM20-1.522118
F-106, F106N, F106S, F106SX, ADP-106, ADL-106M14-1.522118
F-137, F137N, F137S, F107SX, ADP-137, ADP-710M12-1.7517715
F-108, F108N, F108S, F108SX, ADP-108M16-1.522118
F-139, F139N, F139S, F109SX, ADP-139, ADL-139M12-1.517715
F110NNPT 3/822118
F-111, F111N, F111S, F111SXM14-1.2522118
F124NM10-1.25142-15912-13
FG-2, FG2N/NSM18-1.535430
FG-3, FG3N/NSM20-1.535430
FG-5, FG5N/NSM25-1.553144
FG-6, FG6N/NSM24-2.053144
FG-7, FG7N/NSM30-1.553144
FG-7B, FG7BN/NS, ADP-22, ADL-22M22-1.535430
FG-8, FG8N/NSM24-1.553144
T-200, T201N/NS1-11.5 NPT53144
T201, T201N/NS, ADP-2013/4-14 NPT53144
T-202, T202N/NSNPT 1/2-1453144
T-203, T203N/NS1-18 UNF53144
T-204, T204N/NS, ADP-204, ADP-1163/4-16 UNF53144
T-205, T205N/NS1 -1/8-12 UNF53144
T-206, T206N/NS7/8-14 UNF53144
T-207, T207N/NS, ADP-207M26-1.553144
T-208, T208N/NS7/8-18 UNS53144
T-209, T209N/NS1-14 UNF53144
T-211, T211N/NS, ADP-211CM27-2.053144
F302N, F302LM18-1.528324
F308N, F308LM24-1.535430
F309N, F309LM22-1.535430
FG2SXM18-1.539633
FG3SXM20-1.539633
FG6SXM24-2.039633
FG7BSXM22-1.539633
FG7SXM30-1.539633
FG8SXM24-1.539633
T203SX1-18 UNS39633
T205SX1 1/8-12 UNF39633
T211SXM27-2.039633
 

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Where do you see the TBN # on the oil analyzers report? I just sent them my first sample, factory oil at 3700 miles.
 

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Where do you see the TBN # on the oil analyzers report? I just sent them my first sample, factory oil at 3700 miles.
I use Oil Analyzers. They list the TBN under Fluid Properties. It will say, "Base No." If you look at the UOA reports that mat_haas posted, you will see a 9.19 and 8.46 TBN.
 

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Narrowed down my choices for my first oil change.. Amsoil or Pennzoil? There’s is a $7 difference for 9 quarts. Pennzoil being $7 more to my doorstep.

Oil gurus.. Which one would you choose?

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Narrowed down my choices for my first oil change.. Amsoil or Pennzoil? There’s is a $7 difference for 9 quarts. Pennzoil being $7 more to my doorstep.
I have yet to see a UOA for Pennzoil with mileage on it, so I can't give you any real-world answers. I'll be running Pennzoil for the first 12 - 16 months (simply due to free oil changes). If I didn't have the free oil changes, I would run the Amsoil and take oil samples to verify that all is well. There's no question that Amsoil is an excellent oil; however, the question still remains, which oil is better for the emissions system? Personally, I don't know if FCA is giving us the best oil recommendation. If FCA has a contract with Pennzoil, they will recommend the best oil that Pennzoil offers. That doesn't mean that's the best oil for the EcoDiesel.
 
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Asking for experience... Are both oils quality Oils?.. leaning on the Pennzoil just because of the MS-12992 Cert.


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Asking for experience... Are both oils quality Oils?.. leaning on the Pennzoil just because of the MS-12992 Cert.
Both are going to be good oils. Amsoil will probably produce better UOAs, though. Both are considered a low SAPS oil, but I haven't compared the two.
 
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Well OAI re-ran the virgin Motul sample just to be safe since the advertised TBN on Motul's Technical Data Sheet shows a TBN of 10.2 mg KOH/g

The results of the second run: 8.75 mg KOH/g TBN for un-used Motul 8100 X-Cess gen2 5w-40
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I guess we'll see what Motul has to say..
 

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Well OAI re-ran the virgin Motul sample just to be safe since the advertised TBN on Motul's Technical Data Sheet shows a TBN of 10.2 mg KOH/g

The results of the second run: 8.75 mg KOH/g TBN for un-used Motul 8100 X-Cess gen2 5w-40

I guess we'll see what Motul has to say..
Go Amsoil and don't look back!
 

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Speaking of oil and the oil change, i wonder if OhioTech can get the oil pan torque spec on the 3rd gen. My dealership never called me back.
OhioTech asked me last night to help remind him today to get those specs for you. I will send him a text later this morning.
 
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Well OAI re-ran the virgin Motul sample just to be safe since the advertised TBN on Motul's Technical Data Sheet shows a TBN of 10.2 mg KOH/g

The results of the second run: 8.75 mg KOH/g TBN for un-used Motul 8100 X-Cess gen2 5w-40
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I guess we'll see what Motul has to say..
My guess is that that is a typical reference sample - the method of measurement may be different - the particular sample may not read as well, the lab test may miss some components or classify them differently.
 

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Speaking of oil and the oil change, i wonder if OhioTech can get the oil pan torque spec on the 3rd gen. My dealership never called me back.
This is courtesy of OhioTech:

 
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