2022 RAM 1500 Big Horn Crew Cab, 4X2 EcoDiesel, 3.21, 5' 7", Beautiful Billet Silver
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How about a link to the Ferrari collection? That will convince me you're alright, LOL!
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This is quite impressive. Can you send me a link to the Amazon oil that you're using so I can add it to the list? Thank you!
It’s just Amazon Basics brand 5w-40
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Do you know if it meets the MS-12991?
Is this it? Amazon.com: Amazon Basics Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 5W-40, Euro Formula, 1 Quart, 6 Pack : Automotive
It does not. And I got a generic oil filter from Amazon as well. No change in oil analysis from my last oil sample of Motul oil and OE filter.
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Okay - so oil sample metals are typically between 1 and 4 microns - larger metals won’t show up. So if there was a 2,000,000% increase in 5+ micron wear metals it won’t show up in the analysis. No way to know what the filter is doing without an ISO 4548 test.
Wear metals aren’t the reason not to use T6/Delvac/etc., in the Gen3. Deposits left behind by the oil are the reason cited for not using T6. The Amazon Basics oil is made by Warren Oil, and I have emails from them stating they don’t have an oil that would meet the requirements for MS-12991.
If you wish to use an oil not “rated” for MS-12991, it should pass 3 standards to be relatively sure that it will perform properly:
1- ACEA A3/B4
2- API SN/SN+/SP (this is critical as it caps the phosphorous levels)
3- MB 229.5 (The performance requirements for this exceed every aspect of MS-12991 and it’s tested in 2 additional tests.
If it meets those 3 requirements, it should be safe to use.
I will add that ACEA C3 oils meeting the API requirements and MB 229.51 should also be very capable, and generally superior - particularly in long-term exhaust compatibility - but you will need to sample them for TBN to determine if they will be fine for factory intervals.
AMSOILs Euro MS looks solidly capable of exceeding 10K intervals in almost any use pattern. As does Motul’s X-Clean formulations - but anytime you are trying something new, it’s best to test.
All good info. I went back to a factory filter and factory spec Pennzoil. I used the Amazon oil and filter because it was a last minute oil change and that was what was available to me.
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@JGRaider - Do you have later samples for yours? I have what looks to be the 2nd change @ 21K or so. Was wondering if you continued with the EFM, and if you had further samples you could share with me.
I did a sheet showing correction:
I'd like to see further samples to see what the trends look like!
For example: Potassium is supposedly from a lifter bore coating, or similar - yet, the rate is relatively steady to 20K - I want to see if this starts trending down.
Iron is 4ppm/1K, Aluminum is 2ppm/1K, and Copper is 1ppm/1K - I expect copper to stop leaching shortly thereafter, and we hope to see Aluminum and Iron fall a little more - then remain relatively steady.
You have 60.9% of Reference TBN @ 8577 miles. Starting point was 95.7% - so this oil will run a LONG, LONG interval if you choose to do so! (I generally recommend disposal at 30%). It's important to note that TBN is not linear - so I can't say it'll last 17K or something...It may go significantly longer - or it may not, but there's ZERO concerns at the 8577 on this sample, and given the amount of reserve, 10K definitely wouldn't be an issue.
The oil lost 8.51% of the reference viscosity with 0.3% dilution - Start Point was slightly thinner than reference due to prior sample - about 1.4% - so it thinned ~7.4% over the interval. Your residual (if you indeed used 9 quarts) is 10.5%. This is the 2nd sample after the factory oil was removed - so you have about 5.25% factory oil remaining in this sample. This may actually be affecting TBN loss and Viscosity loss still at this phase - and I wanted to see further samples if possible to see if this is improving with higher and higher percentages of EFM, or if it's indeed characteristic of the oil! If you are actually using 8.5, please let me know - and I'll adjust the sheet, as that will bring down your corrected numbers slightly.
If you have more recent samples, please post them, or send them to me via Facebook (I'm pretty easy to find), so I can plug in the data and see what the trends look like with this oil.
For anyone else with extensive ISO certified lab samples of their oil on this platform, using the same oil for several intervals in succession - please drop me your reports - here, message, Facebook, however you like! VOA's for the oil (like @mat_haas provided for EFM) are useful, in that without that, we don't know what's coming from the additive packages/base oil, versus what is wear metal!
I did a sheet showing correction:
I'd like to see further samples to see what the trends look like!
For example: Potassium is supposedly from a lifter bore coating, or similar - yet, the rate is relatively steady to 20K - I want to see if this starts trending down.
Iron is 4ppm/1K, Aluminum is 2ppm/1K, and Copper is 1ppm/1K - I expect copper to stop leaching shortly thereafter, and we hope to see Aluminum and Iron fall a little more - then remain relatively steady.
You have 60.9% of Reference TBN @ 8577 miles. Starting point was 95.7% - so this oil will run a LONG, LONG interval if you choose to do so! (I generally recommend disposal at 30%). It's important to note that TBN is not linear - so I can't say it'll last 17K or something...It may go significantly longer - or it may not, but there's ZERO concerns at the 8577 on this sample, and given the amount of reserve, 10K definitely wouldn't be an issue.
The oil lost 8.51% of the reference viscosity with 0.3% dilution - Start Point was slightly thinner than reference due to prior sample - about 1.4% - so it thinned ~7.4% over the interval. Your residual (if you indeed used 9 quarts) is 10.5%. This is the 2nd sample after the factory oil was removed - so you have about 5.25% factory oil remaining in this sample. This may actually be affecting TBN loss and Viscosity loss still at this phase - and I wanted to see further samples if possible to see if this is improving with higher and higher percentages of EFM, or if it's indeed characteristic of the oil! If you are actually using 8.5, please let me know - and I'll adjust the sheet, as that will bring down your corrected numbers slightly.
If you have more recent samples, please post them, or send them to me via Facebook (I'm pretty easy to find), so I can plug in the data and see what the trends look like with this oil.
For anyone else with extensive ISO certified lab samples of their oil on this platform, using the same oil for several intervals in succession - please drop me your reports - here, message, Facebook, however you like! VOA's for the oil (like @mat_haas provided for EFM) are useful, in that without that, we don't know what's coming from the additive packages/base oil, versus what is wear metal!
By now he's beyond 80,000 miles with zero reported issues and his sample looks identical to the prior sample using a high-dollar luxury oil. At what point do we make final determination that his choice of oils were not "safe to use"? If his engine blows at 210,000, will that be blamed on not using Amsoil?
At the end of the day, there are guys now running very high mileage on 2-3 year old engines using any and all oils available on the market. Why the need for all this technical hysteria?
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Unfortunately, many of the issues with lower quality oils won’t show up as “engine” problems - it’s the turbocharger failure at 140K, the DPF replacement at 145K, the various other components that will be failing repeatedly shortly after the warranty period ends, that lead to a lack of satisfaction with the vehicle that will have been caused by this!
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A good example of that: if you are on the Everything EcoDiesel page, usually about 2X/week now, we have someone with 125-140K on their vehicle, with a loss of 4-7 mpg, and exhaust codes for DPF efficiency. The designed life cycle of the part is 150K - the assumption was you were using an oil with 0.8% Sulfated Ash - the change to an oil with 1% Sulfated Ash and a higher volatility means few of them are making it to that interval!
Better quality oils with lower volatility extend the life, as do lower SAPS oils.
Better quality oils with lower volatility extend the life, as do lower SAPS oils.
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I should probably start thinking about buying a backup DPF for my 2015 EcoDiesel, especially if I can find one at a good price. I'm at 108,000 miles. So far, my DPF isn't giving me any troubles. There are a few stock trucks with 200,000 - 300,000 miles on them running T6. As far as I know, they are still on their factory DPF. Nonetheless, I think I might start shopping for a new DPF just to add to my parts collection. I'm pretty hard on my truck (lots of idle time, short commutes, towing, etc.). None of that can be good for DPF longevity. To be honest, I'm surprised that my truck hasn't thrown any codes for the swirl valves. 
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First 2 UOAs, Blackstone. 2021 Rebel. Opinion welcome.
Pennzoil 5W-40 Euro Platinum
Driving: combo city/freeway, no offroad as yet
Followup question. Local Wallymart finally has the MS12991 spec Quaker State 5W-40 Euro in stock, much cheaper than the Pennzoil. Would you folks stick with the Pennzoil or could I use the QS for next oil change?
Pennzoil 5W-40 Euro Platinum
Driving: combo city/freeway, no offroad as yet
Followup question. Local Wallymart finally has the MS12991 spec Quaker State 5W-40 Euro in stock, much cheaper than the Pennzoil. Would you folks stick with the Pennzoil or could I use the QS for next oil change?
i was just looking at my local Wall mart to see if they had the jugs of Euro Platinum in stock, going to do an oil change once it hits 1,000 miles just to flush some of the break-in material out.
is your Rebel tuned or still stock?
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My recommendation is to stop using Blackstone and go with a better oil analysis program. Blackstone is better than nothing, but there are better labs/reports.
Pennzoil Platinum has proven to be a good oil. My only complaint is that the 3rd gen EcoDiesel uses some oil. It is believed, by some, that Pennzoil Platinum consumes more oil than Amsoil Euro. This has not been proven, yet, but I know several people who have reported very low or no oil consumption when using Amsoil while many of us are reporting higher levels of oil consumption using Pennzoil Platinum. I've heard people say that Pennzoil Platinum didn't have oil consumption issues until it was made from natural gas. Again, I have no proof, but this is what I've found as I've tried to search the matter out.
Quaker State isn't a bad oil, per se, but it's not a long-lasting oil. If you keep to 5,000-mile oil change intervals, the Quaker State will be suitable for use.
Keep posting your oil analysis results!
i just looked on the amsoil website and they do not list any oil for the 3rd gen ecodiesel. this is what is posted on the site.
5W-40 (All TEMPS)
SEO50 - Use of full synthetic motor oil meeting MS-12991 and the API SP engine oil category is required.
5W-40 (All TEMPS)
SEO50 - Use of full synthetic motor oil meeting MS-12991 and the API SP engine oil category is required.
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Appreciate the feedback. I'm a bit partial to Blackstone, they helped me pinpoint a piston bearing problem in my daughters 69 Charger 440. They have one fellow that is fluent in Chrysler big blocks. Anyway, haven't noticed excessive oil consumption, maybe because I'm changing at 5K intervals. I'll keep a closer eye on that.
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You better look again. Here's what they recommend for the 3rd gen engine: SAE 5W-40 FS Synthetic European Motor Oil | EFMQT-EA - AMSOIL
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