RAM 1500 Diesel Forum banner

Oops DEF in fuel

12K views 34 replies 19 participants last post by  Waldo Pepper  
#1 ·
Well just went out to start truck and it started and run about 30 or 45 seconds and quits with water in fuel warning on EVAC. Seams the other day after a couple hours out in very hot weather (Heat Index was 100+ all week) I had one last chore to due before going into house and the shower, add the 2.5gal of DEF to the tank.. Started to pass but thought I needed to get it out of truck bed and decided to put it in the tank.....well it seems in my heat addled state this 70 year old decided for his birthday next week to pour the crap in fuel tank instead. :eek:

Somewhat lucky to have new fuel filter, unlucky to be unable to due the work myself due to old back and shoulder injury, not to mention the heat and having had 3 heatstroke's with last one taking 3 years to really get back to normal, So it's a tow 30 miles into dealer having fuel tank drained. Bet by time I get done it'll cost me a $1000 for the 2 minutes of stupidity not waiting till next day when I felt better.
 
#2 ·
I'm a few months shy of 67 and I can relate. While traveling and a bit weary from a long days drive, I pulled into a gas station and grabbed the first green handle I saw and stuck it into the filler neck. Thank God that I noticed that it wasn't a diesel nozzle before I pulled the trigger :rolleyes: This is also how we learn life's great lessons ;)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Steve Pittman
#7 ·
Well "kid", when you get older you don't want it to get worse. One solice is you are not alone.

Younger friend of mine is quite "cheap". He does completely stupid things as a result. His latest was to keep extra cans of gasoline on hand because he found a station offering a low price so he "stocked up". Then the idiot was too cheap to replace missing vent caps on his cans. Then the idiot decided to just keep them outside under an overhang.

Each night they condensed inside and that sank while the gas evaporated. A month later the idiot poured all three cans into his new Ford Escape. He made it about a mile.

Right at $1,000 to have the local Fix Or Repair Daily dealer drop the tank, drain and replace his fuel pump ruined by water. He's younger than you and proof stupid may not be caused by age.
 
#8 ·
I hadn't thought about the insurance, I'll call them tomorrow. :cool:

Now to add insult to injury is tow truck operator is a neighbor and will give me a break, but his Ford blew a intercooler hose due to soot build up blocking the shut down flapper I guess. His truck is down till tomorrow or Friday. :eek:

Good thing I'm retired. ;)

It's amazing sometimes the stupid things we can do when we are exhausted and not thinking properly. :(
 
  • Like
Reactions: Steve Pittman
#10 ·
Good story Cap,

An old timer I know had a favourite saying; "you cant fix stupid".

Those are the words of wisdom from a 95 years young gentleman.
 
#12 ·
Damn, I do understand ....
 

Attachments

#17 ·
Well good news is my insurance will cover it all including towing and will only cost me my $100 deductible.

Truck just left on flatbed tow truck headed to dealership.
 
#19 ·
Now tell me if I am wrong, but the god awful capless filler neck bullshit that the EcoDiesel Rams have is supposed to be a misfueling device. Technically if you put DEF (or anything else) past the first flap without tripping the 2nd flap, all the fluid (whatever it may be) if supposed to drain out onto the ground!!!??? I found this out when I was trying to get every last drop of fuel in my truck and ended up pissing out a gallon or so of diesel onto the ground because I didn't trip the 2nd flap. I wonder how much DEF actually made it in??? My guess is none but better to be safe than sorry!!!

Mike
 
#22 ·
Well actually I shoved the pour tube in far enough I guess that it all went in tank, not on the ground in the carport. IIRC that second flap is only two or three inches below upper flap. And when the truck computer shuts of engine and has big letters in EVAC saying water in fuel I'm pretty sure I got a about all of 2.5 gal in the fuel tank. :rolleyes:
 
#20 ·
I am sure it was his wife's fault - think long and hard and you'll come up with a good and valid reason to blame her.

She's guilty of something anyways...
 
#24 ·
Well seems local dealership is swamped with normal summer rush from neglected cars and trucks with everything from a/c problems to drive train failures and I'm one of the dummies at the back of the line. It may be end of the month before they can work there way to mine, sounds like I might need that rental car to keep from going stir crazy.

Something I have wondered about and meant to find out, but never did. How and where is the fluid injected, actually in exhaust near head, some kind of exhaust chamber further out from engine like a catalytic converter or as a friend thinks injected into engine cylinders??? Does the filter actually detect water at filter and shut engine down prior getting into lines to the pump and to injectors? That's way cool f it does.

Also it was quite the trick getting the lid to trans release open so I could take the truck out of park so it could be towed. I just knew the plastic cover was going to break, but it didn't.
 
#25 ·
The DEF is injected upstream of the SCR catilyst, which is underneath the truck after the DPF. If you look you will see a curved pipe with a injector looking thingy angled into the pipe. That is the DEF injector. The fuel filter has a sensor in the bottom of it to detect water, most light duty diesel truck engines have this feature. The high pressure fuel pump is VERY intolerant of fluids that are not diesel fuel passing through it. I am not sure if the vehicle will shut down because of water in the fuel, but I do not believe it will shut down while driving down the road, that would be a safety hazard!

Also, since this is all on your own dime, consider sending your truck to an independent repair shop to be repaired. They will be more than capable to do the work, most likely will do it cheaper and faster than your local dealer seems capable of at this time. Also, having an independent shop do the work will eliminate the possibility of having the dealer document the goof up and have ammo that can be used against you in the future if there are mechanical problems that arise. Just my opinion coming from a guy who has run an independent repair shop for the last 22 years :)

Mike
 
  • Like
Reactions: EcoD
#28 ·
Well heard from dealer yesterday and if all go's well they will finish truck Wednesday, flush tank, lines, and replace fuel filter. Insurance will pay repair bill. Seems mine is not the first one and probably won't be the last.
 
#29 ·
Wow is it nice to hear some good news about this one!

:D
 
#31 ·
Well if you have full coverage insurance on your new ride you do...It's called comprehensive coverage and covers the truck for about anything that could happen to it from glass breakage to vandalism to accidently putting water in fuel tank. Most of my friends with full coverage have $500 deductible on their Comp and Collision to save a few dollars...when you are in your 60's with good record you might save $200 a year. My saving from $50 to $500 was $150 a year. This is first comp claim for me since about '94 and no chargeable accidents. I've had 3 that were other driver fault.
 
#32 ·
Well it's over and done, insurance paid the bill. Think I need to take it back because idle RPM is tad below 750 RPM and IIRIC it should be about 900-950 RPM. Anyway I'll check with the dealership next Tuesday when I go to town for new tires....18,000 miles and the Goodyear's wouldn't pass a safety inspection now. Going with Cooper AT's in same size. $776 out the door with road hazard, free lifetime rotation, and free flat fix, etc.

Gad a V-6 gasser like mine and under same driving conditions and same roads it averaged 19mpg compared to my 25mpg, but the truck would downshift 3 gears to my 1 downshift here in the Ozark hills. Like to drove me nuts. Get up and go from stopped was pretty good, not much different from mine from what I could tell by seat of my pants driving, but I sure got tired of the high RPM's if you got on the go peddle.
 
#33 ·
How did you burn up the stock tires in 18k miles? I'm at just over 20k and have ~5-6/32 left. I figure I'll have em worn out around winter time.