[14Punisher]

That's great news Waldo !!!! Good luck in the future buddy

 

[Waldo Pepper]

Now tell me if I am wrong, but the god awful capless filler neck bullshit that the EcoDiesel Rams have is supposed to be a misfueling device. Technically if you put DEF (or anything else) past the first flap without tripping the 2nd flap, all the fluid (whatever it may be) if supposed to drain out onto the ground!!!??? I found this out when I was trying to get every last drop of fuel in my truck and ended up pissing out a gallon or so of diesel onto the ground because I didn't trip the 2nd flap. I wonder how much DEF actually made it in??? My guess is none but better to be safe than sorry!!!

Mike

Well actually I shoved the pour tube in far enough I guess that it all went in tank, not on the ground in the carport. IIRC that second flap is only two or three inches below upper flap. And when the truck computer shuts of engine and has big letters in EVAC saying water in fuel I'm pretty sure I got a about all of 2.5 gal in the fuel tank.

 

[schwoch1]

Well actually I shoved the pour tube in far enough I guess that it all went in tank, not on the ground in the carport. IIRC that second flap is only two or three inches below upper flap. And when the truck computer shuts of engine and has big letters in EVAC saying water in fuel I'm pretty sure I got a about all of 2.5 gal in the fuel tank.

That sucks balls!!!! Hopefully everything will turn out AOK in the near future!!!

Mike

 

[Waldo Pepper]

Well seems local dealership is swamped with normal summer rush from neglected cars and trucks with everything from a/c problems to drive train failures and I'm one of the dummies at the back of the line. It may be end of the month before they can work there way to mine, sounds like I might need that rental car to keep from going stir crazy.

Something I have wondered about and meant to find out, but never did. How and where is the fluid injected, actually in exhaust near head, some kind of exhaust chamber further out from engine like a catalytic converter or as a friend thinks injected into engine cylinders??? Does the filter actually detect water at filter and shut engine down prior getting into lines to the pump and to injectors? That's way cool f it does.

Also it was quite the trick getting the lid to trans release open so I could take the truck out of park so it could be towed. I just knew the plastic cover was going to break, but it didn't.

 

[schwoch1]

The DEF is injected upstream of the SCR catilyst, which is underneath the truck after the DPF. If you look you will see a curved pipe with a injector looking thingy angled into the pipe. That is the DEF injector. The fuel filter has a sensor in the bottom of it to detect water, most light duty diesel truck engines have this feature. The high pressure fuel pump is VERY intolerant of fluids that are not diesel fuel passing through it. I am not sure if the vehicle will shut down because of water in the fuel, but I do not believe it will shut down while driving down the road, that would be a safety hazard!

Also, since this is all on your own dime, consider sending your truck to an independent repair shop to be repaired. They will be more than capable to do the work, most likely will do it cheaper and faster than your local dealer seems capable of at this time. Also, having an independent shop do the work will eliminate the possibility of having the dealer document the goof up and have ammo that can be used against you in the future if there are mechanical problems that arise. Just my opinion coming from a guy who has run an independent repair shop for the last 22 years

Mike

 

[billMKE]

Now tell me if I am wrong, but the god awful capless filler neck bullshit that the EcoDiesel Rams have is supposed to be a misfueling device. Technically if you put DEF (or anything else) past the first flap without tripping the 2nd flap, all the fluid (whatever it may be) if supposed to drain out onto the ground!!!??? I found this out when I was trying to get every last drop of fuel in my truck and ended up pissing out a gallon or so of diesel onto the ground because I didn't trip the 2nd flap. I wonder how much DEF actually made it in??? My guess is none but better to be safe than sorry!!!

Mike

If you use a funnel to add the DEF and trip the door it will go in. This is the 2nd capless fueling vehicle I've owned. No problems with it at all. I was washing the truck by hand a couple weeks ago and ran the hose right at the fuel door and not 1 drop of water entered the fueling compartment. Fifteen months, 45,000 miles of owning this truck I've yet to understand why people don't like the capless system.

 

[schwoch1]

If you use a funnel to add the DEF and trip the door it will go in. This is the 2nd capless fueling vehicle I've owned. No problems with it at all. I was washing the truck by hand a couple weeks ago and ran the hose right at the fuel door and not 1 drop of water entered the fueling compartment. Fifteen months, 45,000 miles of owning this truck I've yet to understand why people don't like the capless system.

We have seen multiple problems with the capless system that Ford has been using. It works great at first, but after the car gets some time and mileage against it, you start getting weird evaporative emissions codes coming up. The only way to repair them is to replace the filler neck at $500+!!! I know the EcoDiesel Rams don't have an EVAP system to worry about, but it seems like an unnecessary expense to me! I also will say that if you go through the trouble to use the provided funnel to misfuel your truck, you should have to pay the piper!!!

Mike

 

[Waldo Pepper]

Well heard from dealer yesterday and if all go's well they will finish truck Wednesday, flush tank, lines, and replace fuel filter. Insurance will pay repair bill. Seems mine is not the first one and probably won't be the last.

 

[dmcelhannon]

Wow is it nice to hear some good news about this one!

 

[Captainmal]

Insurance pays?

I need some of that "stupid insurance" to cover all the dumb things I do. Good for you.

 

[Waldo Pepper]

Insurance pays?

I need some of that "stupid insurance" to cover all the dumb things I do. Good for you.

Well if you have full coverage insurance on your new ride you do...It's called comprehensive coverage and covers the truck for about anything that could happen to it from glass breakage to vandalism to accidently putting water in fuel tank. Most of my friends with full coverage have $500 deductible on their Comp and Collision to save a few dollars...when you are in your 60's with good record you might save $200 a year. My saving from $50 to $500 was $150 a year. This is first comp claim for me since about '94 and no chargeable accidents. I've had 3 that were other driver fault.

 

[Waldo Pepper]

Well it's over and done, insurance paid the bill. Think I need to take it back because idle RPM is tad below 750 RPM and IIRIC it should be about 900-950 RPM. Anyway I'll check with the dealership next Tuesday when I go to town for new tires....18,000 miles and the Goodyear's wouldn't pass a safety inspection now. Going with Cooper AT's in same size. $776 out the door with road hazard, free lifetime rotation, and free flat fix, etc.

Gad a V-6 gasser like mine and under same driving conditions and same roads it averaged 19mpg compared to my 25mpg, but the truck would downshift 3 gears to my 1 downshift here in the Ozark hills. Like to drove me nuts. Get up and go from stopped was pretty good, not much different from mine from what I could tell by seat of my pants driving, but I sure got tired of the high RPM's if you got on the go peddle.

 

[Sorny]

How did you burn up the stock tires in 18k miles? I'm at just over 20k and have ~5-6/32 left. I figure I'll have em worn out around winter time.

 

[cobrajr]

Well it's over and done, insurance paid the bill. Think I need to take it back because idle RPM is tad below 750 RPM and IIRIC it should be about 900-950 RPM.

Mine idles around 750RPM after running for a couple mins. When its ~12C in the mornings it sits around 950RPM until it warms up a bit.
I wouldn't be too worried.

 

[Waldo Pepper]

When I think about it maybe it was 750RPM idle, I was thinking it was higher like my turbo diesel MB's & VW's were, they were 850RPM so a friend told me. Anyway my baby is running smooth as silk.

As for stock tires wearing fast is they were the cheap version of Wrangler, also gravel roads and asphalt are tough on tires. They did wear even and were run at 40 PSI, also these roads often let you see your tailgate they are so crooked which doesn't help.