If I didn't know better, I'd say it is a form of Bio Diesel. I don't plan on being the guinea pig for bad results.
Shell Renewable Diesel
Curious as to what you folks think of Shell's Renewable Diesel for my 21 ED? Pros, Cons, Maintenance Concerns, Etc.
Thanks In Advance,
Randy (BigR)
Thanks In Advance,
Randy (BigR)
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If their marketing material is to believed, it shouldn't be like other bio diesels. It has come up a few times on the forms, and it's an interesting technology. But too new and too small of distribution to have any long term results yet. Right now all we have is marketing materials really.
If it were my truck, I would be willing to use it. But it's with an understanding that no one really knows for sure.
If it were my truck, I would be willing to use it. But it's with an understanding that no one really knows for sure.
We haven't seen Shell Renewable yet but our 76 stations have converted to Renewable which they refine in northern Califunny. I have converted to Renewable for my 2016 Eco and my 2020 HO. Too early to report anything but after discussing it with a 76 exec in charge of their Renewable I do believe their advertising.
For the earlier comment, Renewable is not a form of Bio. You can run 100% Renewable plus it's compatible with any other diesel or diesel blend. Any Bio over 20% is not considered a transportation fuel per the Feds. In fact, many states limit the maximum Bio blend to 20%.
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I believe Renewable will allow us to continue running our diesels if Brandon and the wokers ever succeed in killing fossil fuels. Same for the trains, freighters, and 18 wheelers.
For the earlier comment, Renewable is not a form of Bio. You can run 100% Renewable plus it's compatible with any other diesel or diesel blend. Any Bio over 20% is not considered a transportation fuel per the Feds. In fact, many states limit the maximum Bio blend to 20%.
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I believe Renewable will allow us to continue running our diesels if Brandon and the wokers ever succeed in killing fossil fuels. Same for the trains, freighters, and 18 wheelers.
There are several large trucking firms that have converted to Renewable which is delivered direct to the trucking firm from the refineries. Here's what one reported:If their marketing material is to believed, it shouldn't be like other bio diesels. It has come up a few times on the forms, and it's an interesting technology. But too new and too small of distribution to have any long term results yet. Right now all we have is marketing materials really.
If it were my truck, I would be willing to use it. But it's with an understanding that no one really knows for sure.
"After running Renewable Diesel in our vehicles for a while, I noticed that I was not taking my trucks out of service for routine maintenance as often as before the switch. When I was using other fuels, I had to take the trucks out to do a DPF service every 6 to 8 months. We’ve been using Neste MY for about a year, and we have never had to clean them yet.”
Gustavo Deleon, vice president, 18 Trucking
Renewable is available throughout Califunny at 76 staions and in Washington via Shell. Shell has not replaced their fossil diesel, the Renewable fuel at Washinton Shells is on separate islands installed and serviced by Neste MY. Neste MY recently completed a huge Renewable refinery in northern Washington.
Probably the biggest concern for running renewable diesel in the EcoDiesel will be the lubricity of the fuel. If it provides enough lube for the HPFP then it's probably good to run.
Hi: jent... The only way I know of, to "Renew" my fuel, is to buy another tank full.If their marketing material is to believed, it shouldn't be like other bio diesels. It has come up a few times on the forms, and it's an interesting technology. But too new and too small of distribution to have any long term results yet. Right now all we have is marketing materials really.
If it were my truck, I would be willing to use it. But it's with an understanding that no one really knows for sure.
Dieseldragon North shore of Lake Erie.
....and what is the price compared to Diesel?
It seems to be a bit more than regular diesel, but the way the prices are yoyoing it's hard to put an exact figure. And then all depends where you are seems to have an influence too.
The 76 company (Phillips) wants to keep Renewabe at the same price as fossil diesel. However, all of their 76 stations are franchises so they cannot control them. So far I have been paying the same as or .10 more than regular diesel.....and what is the price compared to Diesel?
Very interesting and informative JJ. Lately, much more picky about fuel and got hoodwinked by the biodiesel pumps when on the road last year. Since I travel multiple states throughout the year on road trips, not always using the same stations. If not straight diesel, then looking for Renewable. Regardless, still running Hot Shot's EDT with each tank and their every 6,000 mile treatment as well. Not taking any chances."After running Renewable Diesel in our vehicles for a while, I noticed that I was not taking my trucks out of service for routine maintenance as often as before the switch. When I was using other fuels, I had to take the trucks out to do a DPF service every 6 to 8 months. We’ve been using Neste MY for about a year, and we have never had to clean them yet.”
Gustavo Deleon, vice president, 18 Trucking
Interesting article here. Countless others out there.
Biodiesel and Renewable Diesel: What’s the Difference?
Yes, an interesting article. Added it to my "renewable" library.Very interesting and informative JJ. Lately, much more picky about fuel and got hoodwinked by the biodiesel pumps when on the road last year. Since I travel multiple states throughout the year on road trips, not always using the same stations. If not straight diesel, then looking for Renewable. Regardless, still running Hot Shot's EDT with each tank and their every 6,000 mile treatment as well. Not taking any chances.
Interesting article here. Countless others out there.
Biodiesel and Renewable Diesel: What’s the Difference?
I have wondered about Renwable's power compared to regular, 4% less is minimal. Also didn't know that Bio may be added for lubricity.
Thanks
The renewable I have seen at Shell is Propel HPR. "Performance formulated Diesel HPR has a cetane rating up to 75+, 40% higher than regular diesel, for smoother combustion and a better ride." Isn't higher cetane related to higher lubricity?Yes, an interesting article. Added it to my "renewable" library.
I have wondered about Renwable's power compared to regular, 4% less is minimal. Also didn't know that Bio may be added for lubricity.
Thanks
"Diesel HPR combusts more efficiently, which means more power and torque for your rig." "Diesel HPR outperforms Biodiesel B20, delivering more power...." This implies that there is no energy loss, compared to a 1% loss with B20, but I'm still looking for a more definitive statement.
Neste produces Propel and says "Diesel HPR ... does not contain any traditional biodiesel."
As far as I know, the 76 Renewable doesn't contain any Bio either.Neste produces Propel and says "Diesel HPR ... does not contain any traditional biodiesel."
Propel is the original 'Renewable' here in Calif. Good reading on their website. Now all the big guys are jumping on board. I think they (Phillips 66) were waiting for a refinery to open in Wash. State? Renewable though it comes from similar sources as Biodiesel, it is refined differently and to the point that it is chemically equal to petroleum diesel. For us it is all good and even keeps the hippy crowd here in Cal. happy as it is a low carbon producing fuel (less soot for us means less time in Regen which means better mileage)
Pizza,Propel is the original 'Renewable' here in Calif. Good reading on their website. Now all the big guys are jumping on board. I think they (Phillips 66) were waiting for a refinery to open in Wash. State? Renewable though it comes from similar sources as Biodiesel, it is refined differently and to the point that it is chemically equal to petroleum diesel. For us it is all good and even keeps the hippy crowd here in Cal. happy as it is a low carbon producing fuel (less soot for us means less time in Regen which means better mileage)
Here's what I know.
March 18 2015 Propel Fuels and Neste Oil announced their launch of renewable diesel in Califunny.
Propel's fuel is called Diesel HPR and contains 98.5% of Neste MY's renewable diesel. I don't know what the other 1.5% might be. I believe Neste oil built a refinery in northern Califunny and has recently completed a huge renewable refinery in Washing near the Canadian border. They distribute their renewable in Washington by installing separate renewable diesel islands at shell stations
76® Renewable Diesel is made from 100% renewable sources. 76 refines its own renewable fuel in northern Califunny and will be turning that refinery into a 100% renewable diesel refinery. 76 does not and has not used Neste MY fuel.
I have looked a lot and cannot determine if Propels Diesel HPR is an R99 (100% renewable) or not.
Would appreciate any insight or understanding you may have.
I found these details on the 76 production, which is far more available than Propel HPR: "Phillips 66 is on track to have the world’s largest renewable diesel refinery in 2024 following the complete conversion of its San Francisco Refinery in Rodeo, California. Phillips reported in September that the plant was producing 9,000 barrels per day of renewable diesel to supply more than 600 76 stations in the state. Once the plant is fully converted, renewable diesel output is expected to climb to 52,000 barrels a day, making the plant the most productive of its kind in the world, according to the Energy Information Agency (EIA)."Pizza,
Here's what I know.
March 18 2015 Propel Fuels and Neste Oil announced their launch of renewable diesel in Califunny.
Propel's fuel is called Diesel HPR and contains 98.5% of Neste MY's renewable diesel. I don't know what the other 1.5% might be. I believe Neste oil built a refinery in northern Califunny and has recently completed a huge renewable refinery in Washing near the Canadian border. They distribute their renewable in Washington by installing separate renewable diesel islands at shell stations
76® Renewable Diesel is made from 100% renewable sources. 76 refines its own renewable fuel in northern Califunny and will be turning that refinery into a 100% renewable diesel refinery. 76 does not and has not used Neste MY fuel.
I have looked a lot and cannot determine if Propels Diesel HPR is an R99 (100% renewable) or not.
Would appreciate any insight or understanding you may have.
Looks like we are slowing getting all the current facts. I do remember hearing in the last year or 2 that 1 or 2 of Califorinia's 8? refineries had been converted to do renewable diesel (oops to the already constantly tight supply of gasoline). Propel has it's own islands, too, but at various stations, Shell or 76, etc. Propel has its E85 as well. Propel has been around for some years now and I had originally heard that they sourced their fuel from Malaysia or somewhere. Once Neste started brewing it they must have contracted to buy here. Interested to confirm this. Stations in Cal. (except for Propel for some reason CORRECTED:98% see pic below) put the % on the pump, like they did for Biodiesel, for Renewable diesel I've seen both R95 at Arco and R99 at Union/Unocal 76. I was told the odd 1-5% was 'for tax purposes' so that would be an interesting discussion...I think it is petroleum diesel.
Chevron I am suspicious of as the confusing array of stickers on the pump seem to imply that they are still trying to push some (up to 20%) Biodiesel so it seems their new Renewable is actually 80% R and 20% B[iodiesel] Pics are 76 I think, then Propel below.
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Chevron I am suspicious of as the confusing array of stickers on the pump seem to imply that they are still trying to push some (up to 20%) Biodiesel so it seems their new Renewable is actually 80% R and 20% B[iodiesel] Pics are 76 I think, then Propel below.
ThanksLooks like we are slowing getting all the current facts. I do remember hearing in the last year or 2 that 1 or 2 of Califorinia's 8? refineries had been converted to do renewable diesel (oops to the already constantly tight supply of gasoline). Propel has it's own islands, too, but at various stations, Shell or 76, etc. Propel has its E85 as well. Propel has been around for some years now and I had originally heard that they sourced their fuel from Malaysia or somewhere. Once Neste started brewing it they must have contracted to buy here. Interested to confirm this. Stations in Cal. (except for Propel for some reason CORRECTED:98% see pic below) put the % on the pump, like they did for Biodiesel, for Renewable diesel I've seen both R95 at Arco and R99 at Union/Unocal 76. I was told the odd 1-5% was 'for tax purposes' so that would be an interesting discussion...I think it is petroleum diesel.
Chevron I am suspicious of as the confusing array of stickers on the pump seem to imply that they are still trying to push some (up to 20%) Biodiesel so it seems their new Renewable is actually 80% R and 20% B[iodiesel] Pics are 76 I think, then Propel below.
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There is a Chevron in my area that has signs up selling renewable. However, as you stated, it's a blend,.
Lots of good information...so I put 10 gallons of Shell's renewable in my almost empty 21 ED and didn't notice any difference in power or MPG, it ran just as it has with #2 in it. I continue to use Hotshots Diesel Extreme as instructed as well. Due for a filter change here shortly and will pass on my results/findings accordingly.
On another note; contacted the dealer (AGAIN) regarding the HPFP recall, and NOW I'm being told I need to bring it in for an inspection, which I was informed 90% are failures before I can get on the list for parts. This same dealer supposedly put me on a waiting list 5 months ago. Grrrrrrr... Rep claims they're receiving parts at a rate of 1-2 per month as FCA is distributing equally amongst the dealers. He estimated my wait to be 3-5 months if I bring it in next week. Now I know what an aneurysm feels like!
On another note; contacted the dealer (AGAIN) regarding the HPFP recall, and NOW I'm being told I need to bring it in for an inspection, which I was informed 90% are failures before I can get on the list for parts. This same dealer supposedly put me on a waiting list 5 months ago. Grrrrrrr... Rep claims they're receiving parts at a rate of 1-2 per month as FCA is distributing equally amongst the dealers. He estimated my wait to be 3-5 months if I bring it in next week. Now I know what an aneurysm feels like!
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