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Hey all. After everyone's input about the EcoDiesel, I am really liking the idea. I found two relatively close to me that I like and am interested in what you guys would pick.

First is a 2017 Laramie 4x4 with 45,325 on the clock.
Second is a 2016 Big Horn 4x4 with 29,998 on it.

They are both close in price, with the Big Horn being a couple hundred dollars more. Big Horn is for sale down the street at a RAM dealer and the Laramie is 30 miles away at a used car lot.

Things I like about each:
2017 Laramie has a nicer looking exterior imho. The wheels are nicer and although I am not huge on chrome, I feel like the chrome accents on it don't clash like the black does with the chrome on the BH. Also has heated/cooled leather and navigation and appears to have a bed cover.

2016 BH obviously has lower mileage and being local and an actual RAM dealership I might be able to talk them into putting a Line-X in it before all is said and done. It has the brown interior which I think is unique because it'e really not prevalent in vehicles of the 2000s. It's cloth, but it's a bench seat which weirdly I like. My first vehicle was a F150 with a bench seat and I've always loved that aspect of trucks.

I will say that after being spoken so highly of on this forum, a GDE tune will be ordered same ASAP either way. One thing that does concern me about the Big Horn is the low mileage. If it was a 2016 model purchased in 2015, that's less than 10,000/year, and I know thanks to this forum that putting miles on these trucks is important.

So, what would you do?

Off topic, but if weekday driving was 90% highway and then weekend driving might be around town a bit, will that be really bad for the ED?
 

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My thoughts: The Laramie is a much more expensive package than the Big Horn, so the price should reflect that even with the mileage difference. So you're not really comparing the same trucks to each other.

Therefore, I would think about the following: Do I need leather? What about that Alpine stereo with the sub woofer under the back seat? Memory seat? Nicer instrument panel? Keyless/remote start (if applicable)? Am I going to be towing a lot? Because the Laramie has better cooling through the grill.

Then some other exterior things besides the wheels: Is either one of them a long bed? You can spot this by looking at the area between the cab and the rear wheel. Long bed has more distance in that area. What about RamBoxes?

Be sure that it has the hitch and everything already set up. Because you never know! Preferably also with the trailer brake adjustment already installed.

And be sure to CarFax! The low mileage could be because of problems--or it could be because the previous owner(s) didn't drive much. But you don't want to buy a dealer buy-back. They buy them back when they can't locate a problem.

I'm sure that others will be chiming in with other things to consider.
 

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My thoughts: The Laramie is a much more expensive package than the Big Horn, so the price should reflect that even with the mileage difference. So you're not really comparing the same trucks to each other.

Therefore, I would think about the following: Do I need leather? What about that Alpine stereo with the sub woofer under the back seat? Memory seat? Nicer instrument panel? Keyless/remote start (if applicable)? Am I going to be towing a lot? Because the Laramie has better cooling through the grill.

Then some other exterior things besides the wheels: Is either one of them a long bed? You can spot this by looking at the area between the cab and the rear wheel. Long bed has more distance in that area. What about RamBoxes?

Be sure that it has the hitch and everything already set up. Because you never know! Preferably also with the trailer brake adjustment already installed.

And be sure to CarFax! The low mileage could be because of problems--or it could be because the previous owner(s) didn't drive much. But you don't want to buy a dealer buy-back. They buy them back when they can't locate a problem.

I'm sure that others will be chiming in with other things to consider.
These are all good considerations. I don't necessarily need the leather/sub/memory but the other points (including the better cooling) would be nice. Neither of them have RamBoxes or long beds.

I do know the Laramie is a much nicer package. I think my intent with the question was really based in: is it worth going with the lower mileage model, because if the owner didn't drive it much (or only did short trips) wouldn't that be inherently worse than one with 15000 more miles? I hadn't even considered a dealer buy back. I will say the dealership wasn't even opened until 2018 so I feel like the 2016 being a buyback is unlikely, unless the owners can take them to any RAM dealership.
 

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Hehe its not one of your options, but you asked... what would we do.

I wouldn't buy an ecodiesel. Im invested in mine and I like it; however, if I didn't own it and I was in the market for one or a comparable vehicle I would wait for the GM to come out if it ever does, I think theirs will be more to my liking and better all the way around. I would prefer the leaf springs, they haven't had mass failure(yet), and I believe they have a better emissions/egr/dpf strategy.
 

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I recently bought an SLT, which is one tier lower than the big horn, and I am very sorry I did so. I have the tiny 4" radio display, which does not even get HD stations. I'm missing out on MOST of the good music here in south florida because of this. Also, I don't have rear camera or keyless start, or push start. I have a rather large keyring, so not having to dig your keys out of your pocket for me is a big plus. The Laramie typically comes with all that. Some models even come with Air Ride suspension, which I hear is an improvement over the ordinary shocks. Gives a better ride, and you can raise/lower at will. It even drops down on the hwy to give you better mpg. I saved $4k by choosing the SLT and could not be sorrier. I value all the bells and whistles and wish I could go back and make the right choice. The Laramie is how this truck should be IMO.
 

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Chase 90 .... Make sure neither truck is a Canadian truck, because you get. No warranty.....

idoseasoo.... Upgrading your 4” radio to a 8.4 screen is very easy ,I believe Around 1500.00 ...I just upgraded my 8.4 Harmon to a Panasonic 8.4 with Apple CarPlay radio ..Mine cost 850.00 everything was plug and play....
 

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Hehe its not one of your options, but you asked... what would we do.

I wouldn't buy an ecodiesel. Im invested in mine and I like it; however, if I didn't own it and I was in the market for one or a comparable vehicle I would wait for the GM to come out if it ever does, I think theirs will be more to my liking and better all the way around. I would prefer the leaf springs, they haven't had mass failure(yet), and I believe they have a better emissions/egr/dpf strategy.
If they would have had a diesel in the 2014-2018 Silverados, I would definitely consider it. My thing is likability and affordability. I really am not a fan of the redesigned Silverado or Sierra personally. I have always like the Dodge Ram then RAM ever since I was 5 and watched Twister. The affordability part, I have acquired a collective of cars over the years and recently got back into fishing, re enrolled in college, and had my first child. I had been really looking at a D-Max Canyon but, in my 4Runner to have his car seat in the passenger seat needs to be pushed almost all the way forward. My wife has long legs and most of my passengers other than her are well over 6' so It would seem the baby Duramax (VM Motori) wouldn't be great. The RAM also had better crash test ratings than most pickups so that is one big reason I like the idea of it. I usually drive 50 miles a day, sometimes 70 other than weekends which in the summer I will be pulling a boat most weekends. That's why I've really gone towards the RAM EcoD.

You want to see a cool Silverado though, check out the 2014-2018 retro Big10.
 

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Chase 90 .... Make sure neither truck is a Canadian truck, because you get. No warranty.....

idoseasoo.... Upgrading your 4” radio to a 8.4 screen is very easy ,I believe Around 1500.00 ...I just upgraded my 8.4 Harmon to a Panasonic 8.4 with Apple CarPlay radio ..Mine cost 850.00 everything was plug and play....
What's the deal with Canada? different emissions?
 

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What's the deal with Canada? different emissions?
Any vehicle originally sold in Canada and then is re-sold in the States loses it's warranty as soon as it crosses the border. I looked at two really nice EcoD's at local used car lots and both of them were originally sold in Canada. Hated to walk away but I wasn't willing to take a chance on paying for a repair that would otherwise be covered under the manufacturer warranty. The truck I ended up with was in better condition with far more options that either of those anyway and for essentially the same price from a CDJR dealership.

So here's my opinion... Assuming both Rams you're looking at were originally sold in the States and there are no issues showing up on CarFax, I'd take the Laramie all day long. Leather is the easiest seat material to maintain, there are a lot of really useful and, yes, cool features on the Laramie that aren't on the Big Horn, and the mileage difference wouldn't worry me at all. Of course the Laramie has fewer miles left on the warranty but the EcoD settlement will add significant miles to a lot of the engine's components (except for the damn bottom end.) And like DrivingZiggy said above the Laramie grill gives better cooling for towing - and the Laramie probably has the tow package and factory trailer brake controller already installed.

My 2 cents...

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Same Emissions, Canadian Trucks That had warranty issues aka buy backs seem to be going to USA auto auctions and then bought by small dealerships then resold to unsuspecting US consumers then find out their trucks where first purchased in Canada, they usually only learn this fact after having issues with their newly purchased vehicle ...FCA will not warranty a truck originally sold in Canada then resold in the USA....
 

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As Docmcg said, go with your head. What do you really need in a pickup? The one thing I would look at is if either one has the built in trailer brake. You may not be planning on towing at this time, but who knows what the future will hold.
 

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Any vehicle originally sold in Canada and then is re-sold in the States loses it's warranty as soon as it crosses the border. I looked at two really nice EcoD's at local used car lots and both of them were originally sold in Canada. Hated to walk away but I wasn't willing to take a chance on paying for a repair that would otherwise be covered under the manufacturer warranty. The truck I ended up with was in better condition with far more options that either of those anyway and for essentially the same price from a CDJR dealership.

So here's my opinion... Assuming both Rams you're looking at were originally sold in the States and there are no issues showing up on CarFax, I'd take the Laramie all day long. Leather is the easiest seat material to maintain, there are a lot of really useful and, yes, cool features on the Laramie that aren't on the Big Horn, and the mileage difference wouldn't worry me at all. Of course the Laramie has fewer miles left on the warranty but the EcoD settlement will add significant miles to a lot of the engine's components (except for the damn bottom end.) And like DrivingZiggy said above the Laramie grill gives better cooling for towing - and the Laramie probably has the tow package and factory trailer brake controller already installed.

My 2 cents...

Bob
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With the exception of warranty issues most of the advice you are getting forms on doo dads. Maybe that's what you want instead of a reliable, long-lasting package.? If so, take you pick of the color, chrome, style, radio and other electronics you like. To me all that stuff is near worthless crap. What counts is a well-maintained engine and complete drivetrain.

Assuming you are comfortable with the price, check to see if either have some kind of tune. One way to tell is make a test drive and see if the cruise control will work around 15-20 mph. If it works that low you just found out there is some kind of tune like GDE. With that knowledge comes the fact that the EGR system is clean and the emission systems are operating without those faulty sensor issues.

Check on maintenance records. What was done and when with what. Meaning were the correct oils and parts used at the correct time. Lubing the front wheel bearings may be important. See if there is a record of that being done. it is done through the ABS ports behind the brake discs.

Look hard at the coolant reservoir. It is up to the full line? Is it a uniform color, probably some shade of red or purple. Study out the engine area underneath and look for any leakage. There should be none anywhere.

If all those areas seem fine, then deal with the doo dads. Doesn't matter a bit if you have the neatest radio or screen package with power everything, the right chrome and color with remote gee gaws while broken down.
 

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My 2 cents worth is why is such a new truck at a used car dealer. Was it traded in on a Ram and the dealer knew there were problems with it and didn't want to deal with them or was it traded in at a non Ram dealership. I am always suspicious of relatively new vehicles at used car dealerships. There is a reason they went to the auction.

Get a CARFAx to see what it says if you decide to go with the one at the used car dealer.
 

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Same Emissions, Canadian Trucks That had warranty issues aka buy backs seem to be going to USA auto auctions and then bought by small dealerships then resold to unsuspecting US consumers then find out their trucks where first purchased in Canada, they usually only learn this fact after having issues with their newly purchased vehicle ...FCA will not warranty a truck originally sold in Canada then resold in the USA....
If the truck was originally sold in Canada, wouldn't it have had a different dash head unit (speedo, odometer)? That should then have to be changed over to US measurements and should be a mileage certificate associated with the change.
 

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My 2 cents worth is why is such a new truck at a used car dealer. Was it traded in on a Ram and the dealer knew there were problems with it and didn't want to deal with them or was it traded in at a non Ram dealership. I am always suspicious of relatively new vehicles at used car dealerships. There is a reason they went to the auction.

Get a CARFAx to see what it says if you decide to go with the one at the used car dealer.
I've seen more than a few posts on here saying that owners walked away from these trucks for fear of what might happen. I traded my 03 Avalanche in after about 24 months because I couldn't, or didn't want to, afford to run a tank of gas or more a week through it. That was the first time that gas crossed the $3 per gallon line in NC.
 

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If the truck was originally sold in Canada, wouldn't it have had a different dash head unit (speedo, odometer)? That should then have to be changed over to US measurements and should be a mileage certificate associated with the change.
I believe Our trucks dashboards have everything required for both countries, Just push settings kilometers vs Miles ect ... Now you’ve been your associating our trucks with VW’s quite frequently, like swapping instrument clusters ect also .. I purchased a ALH and read the VW forums frequently also :rolleyes:
 
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