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EcoDieselUSA (Reckless Motorsports) Review

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#1 ·
Thought I would start my review of the EcoDieselUSA Stage 2 delete tune I purchased. I currently have a little over 300 miles on this tune. At present just the engine is tuned, I haven't received all the devices needed to tune the transmission yet. In one word, WOW! Really woke the truck up. Smoke is very, very minimal and the sound is just right. I purchased the 3" exhaust pipe from him also. They are still working on the pipe design to connect at the point before the split in the rear. The one I got, I had to cut the exhaust right behind the last sensor with the flap in it and connect to the exhaust there. Will be better connecting at the junction. Beware of using any other pipe unless you know for sure it connects in the front at the junction where the DPF connects. His tune uses the smoke sensors just upstream from that point.
I used an app on my cell phone for before and after 0-60 times. The app is notoriously high but it is consistent. I hope to get a Dragy for Christmas and get some accurate times later.
Before with stock, the truck would barely chirp the tires and ran 0-20 in 1.8 seconds, 0-60 in 8.817 seconds, 0-100 in 24.79 seconds, and 1/4 mile in 16.83 @86.21 mph.
After the engine tune the truck really spun the tires too much. I realized when I got back and looked at the results, I needed to take off in Auto 4-wheel drive mode. 0-20 in 2.801 seconds, 0-60 in 8.813 seconds, 0-100 in 19.841 seconds, and 1/4 mile in 16.821 @ 93.71 mph. As you see, I lost time at the startup due to wheel spin. But still got to 100 mph 5 seconds quicker even with the tire spin. Miles per gallon so far is about 2 mpg better than stock. I ran the truck up to 132 mph but it still had more to go! I'm guessing, but think 135-140 is where it will land topped out. I will update with more info after the transmission tune and I get some miles on. I really cannot compare it to any other tune because this is the only one I have experience with, but needless to say, I am very, very happy with this tune.
 
#7 ·
I wrote this just to inform about my experience with this tune. I subscribed to this forum and one other to try to gain knowledge about tunes and options for the truck. My first Ram. I didn't realize there was so much controversy about different tune providers. I did my research and made a choice. Happy with it so far. I will provide accurate times when I get a more accurate device for acceleration..... and 100 mph is just fine in this truck.... I have been on several race tracks and have one car that will do over 200... no novice here ;)
 
#8 ·
A delete tune should not use any exhaust sensors. Guess Randy couldn't tune those out. You're one of the lucky ones that got a workable Wreckless tune.

Thanks for sharing your experience. My only hope is that others make a well educated decision when it comes to their ecm.
 
#12 ·
oldsouth, Thanks for the info. Keep us posted with your results. I like many of the others are not interested in speed as much as we are in longevity and a better driving/towing experience. Can't forget better mileage either.

Some will not like your choice, others might. It's your choice and your experiment. I am following to see your results and experiences with this tune. Good luck
 
#13 ·
Installed the transmission tune last night. I will do a more thorough review after I get several hundred miles on it. But I did a quick timed run on my phone today with Auto 4-wd engaged to prevent tire spin. 0-20 = 1.8 seconds same as stock, 0-60 = 6.756 over 2 seconds better than stock, 0-100 = 18.754 better by 6 seconds, 1/4 mile = 15.771 @ 93.3. I have about 500 miles on the engine tune now and my mileage is running 2 mpg better than stock including all this testing and a heavy foot trying the tune out. I would estimate in normal driving, the tune would add 3-4 mpg. There are no codes or anything abnormal going on so far.

And to all this ya-ya-ya about my choice of a tune, I wish you would start your own thread about why not to choose EcoDieselUSA and not hijack my review. I am just relaying my experience and wish anyone else with a generation 3 EcoDiesel tune to provide a review with performance measurements to compare. I tend to trust individuals over tuner claims. As far as I know there are 5 tunes (Celtic, EocDieselUSA - Reckless, GDE, Sofa Tune, & EcoDiesel Owners Canada) and only 4 of these have delete tunes.

My truck is a 2020 Limited with standard 20" tires, limited slip 3.92, and I have a tonneau cover installed.
 
#16 ·
Since you mention GDE in the quote below:

As far as I know there are 5 tunes (Celtic, EocDieselUSA - Reckless, GDE, Sofa Tune, & EcoDiesel Owners Canada) and only 4 of these have delete tunes.

That would be better worded with there is only one company selling a street legal tune (GDE), the others are illegal. I would also add that the GDE tune is faster than your tune of choice and also has cleaner engine oil for better longevity. Carry on.
 
#17 · (Edited)
Since you mention GDE in the quote below:

As far as I know there are 5 tunes (Celtic, EocDieselUSA - Reckless, GDE, Sofa Tune, & EcoDiesel Owners Canada) and only 4 of these have delete tunes.

That would be better worded with there is only one company selling a street legal tune (GDE), the others are illegal. I would also add that the GDE tune is faster than your tune of choice and also has cleaner engine oil for better longevity. Carry on.
To clarify, except those that have your earlier deleted tunes in their truck from before you were forced to stop selling it right?

I dont doubt your tunes are great as I think I have one of your older tunes in my truck and its great but your statement kinda sounds like your degrading the deleted tunes as inferior now that you cant sell them anymore. It kind of stands to reason theres more possibilities tuning wise with a deleted truck or is that not true?

btw I have almost 3,000 miles on my new to me truck since I changed the oil and the oil does infact still look great but my truck is deleted which im told also has a big impact on this as the soot is not being pumped back into the intake..
 
#18 ·
Well GDE, get me some times of 0-60, 1/4 mile, 0-100 and after Christmas I will post my times accurately. Preferrable with 3.92 gears for apples to apples. I will do a screen shot and post. The phone times above, as I have stated, are not accurate, Just consistent for comparison with what I got before. Phone GPS chip only updates 1 time per second but the Dragy is accurate. I guess you are talking about acceleration, because I know I have you on top end... From Randy's last YouTube post, your maps don't look that impressive.
 
#19 ·
PS-I would still like to have that thermostat...

Not trying to degrade your tune. I almost went with it. And I am glad you are in the business and provide a legal tune. But competition is what makes the world go round. Not good to degrade others work in my opinion unless there are hard facts. :)
 
#21 ·
Thank you for your review. I’m glad to hear you like it.
pretty much any tune is better than stock. Seems like there is a lot of hair splitting over tunes.
I appreciate your honest review. I don’t know what my top speed is, I’ll have to try that in Montana. It’s too mountainous here.
I have an HDDS tune and am happy with it as well.
I’ve heard a lot of complaints about buggy tunes. I won’t mention any names.
 
#25 ·
I sure hope this gets updated to help warn others. I have screenshots of WAY too many customer's of Randy's trying to get their truck fixed after switching to his tuning. The guy is a hack that has no business messing with computers.
 
#29 ·
Ok, her it goes...

After running the engine tune for a while, I kept noticing a couple of different noises when shifting or letting off the throttle. I contacted Randy and he said it was turbo flutter and would not hurt anything. I did some research and most of the information I found said that this is not good for the turbo. It was hard to record driving but to give you an idea, I recorded this just revving the engine from standstill.


I contacted a different tuner and he told me to check turbo boost driving a steady speed on to see what the boost was doing. Boost was all over the place and not steady. Martin (MR Tuning) told me that was rough on the turbo and at that time I decided not to run this tune in my expensive truck, especially since I no longer have any warranty, most probably, with this delete tune. Here are a couple of videos about the turbo surge at a steady speed.



I sent the ECU to Martin and am awaiting its return. Will report on how it does later.

In summary on the engine tune, I cannot recommend this tune. I feel it is rough on the turbo and just not a smooth tune. The tune did give the truck more power and the speed limiter was removed. Martin may can explain more about the details but not a good experience with EcodieselUSA tune. Transmission tune review to follow.
 
#30 ·
Ok, her it goes...

After running the engine tune for a while, I kept noticing a couple of different noises when shifting or letting off the throttle. I contacted Randy and he said it was turbo flutter and would not hurt anything. I did some research and most of the information I found said that this is not good for the turbo. It was hard to record driving but to give you an idea, I recorded this just revving the engine from standstill.


I contacted a different tuner and he told me to check turbo boost driving a steady speed on to see what the boost was doing. Boost was all over the place and not steady. Martin (MR Tuning) told me that was rough on the turbo and at that time I decided not to run this tune in my expensive truck, especially since I no longer have any warranty, most probably, with this delete tune. Here are a couple of videos about the turbo surge at a steady speed.



I sent the ECU to Martin and am awaiting its return. Will report on how it does later.

In summary on the engine tune, I cannot recommend this tune. I feel it is rough on the turbo and just not a smooth tune. The tune did give the truck more power and the speed limiter was removed. Martin may can explain more about the details but not a good experience with EcodieselUSA tune. Transmission tune review to follow.
In last 2 videos, is that a distant turbo flutter that can be heard? Seems like it coincides with boost drops...

That sucks, hopefully you could get money back, not just having to pay for an expensive lesson...
 
#31 ·
On the transmission tune, I received it several days later than the engine tune. It is very expensive because you have to buy an HP Tuner device with credits to access your truck, plus another device to go around the security. Not any instructions and rather difficult to do for a novice the first time. Best to do the trans tune at night and let the truck sit over night for the can bus to reacquire all the devices in the truck like the seat adjustment, a/c, air suspension etc. Things go kinda haywire after disconnecting the security device and takes a while to go back to normal.
First thing I noticed was the truck was holding 3rd and 4th gears at a low steady speed and running over 2000 rpms. Also, in 8th gear anything over 2100 rpms the truck would not downshift at all full throttle. Two videos of that here.



I contacted Randy and sent these videos to him. He was busy at the time but did show me how to adjust the shift points in the program. I made 7 different tunes trying different settings and got it a lot better but still not perfect. I ended up going back to the stock transmission tune. The stock tune did a lot better with the engine tune he sent than with the stock factory engine tune. It would hold 8th gear much better after the truck had more power.

I cannot recommend the transmission tune either
 
#34 ·
On the transmission tune, I received it several days later than the engine tune. It is very expensive because you have to buy an HP Tuner device with credits to access your truck, plus another device to go around the security. Not any instructions and rather difficult to do for a novice the first time. Best to do the trans tune at night and let the truck sit over night for the can bus to reacquire all the devices in the truck like the seat adjustment, a/c, air suspension etc. Things go kinda haywire after disconnecting the security device and takes a while to go back to normal.
First thing I noticed was the truck was holding 3rd and 4th gears at a low steady speed and running over 2000 rpms. Also, in 8th gear anything over 2100 rpms the truck would not downshift at all full throttle. Two videos of that here.



I contacted Randy and sent these videos to him. He was busy at the time but did show me how to adjust the shift points in the program. I made 7 different tunes trying different settings and got it a lot better but still not perfect. I ended up going back to the stock transmission tune. The stock tune did a lot better with the engine tune he sent than with the stock factory engine tune. It would hold 8th gear much better after the truck had more power.

I cannot recommend the transmission tune either
From what you sent me, the torque converter lock-up function is disabled almost everytime in your trans tune, you will burn your trans if you continue driving with it.
 
#32 ·
Oldsouth,
Thanks for your reviews. I have the SFT stage 1 tunes and I'm in the process of changing tuners. I've been advised to not use Randy for a variety of reasons. Your reports have convinced me to follow the advice. Now I have it boiled down to HDDS or MRT. Currently leaning to MRT.
 
#33 ·
Yep, turbo surge can snap the turbo shaft, oil pressure will then bypass directly into the intake and the engine will do a runaway burning its own oil, there is several video on youtube about this, and the turbo surge on this tune is massive. The boost being all over the place with this tune and creeping all the way up to 30psi while cruising gently is due to several major issue in the tune, it's not a simple fix. A major concern we also saw in the tune is that all the fault codes (1840 fault codes in that software version), all have been completely disabled, it's a shame, if something breaks, no one will never know, and no garage, no dealer, no one will be able to repair this vehicule as there is no more check engine. All the safety limiter completely disabled. Both LP and HP EGR function full active, all DPF functionality full active, but the truck is full delte lolll.... welll...
 
#44 ·
My advice for what’s it’s worth, and that’s not saying a lot, is the tried and true ones that are bulletproof are MR tuning and HD diesel supply. They are both tried and true. Bulletproof.
In fact, HD diesel supply is the old GDE tune that you can’t get any more in the US. That was the gold standard goto.
 
#45 · (Edited)
My advice for what’s it’s worth, and that’s not saying a lot, is the tried and true ones that are bulletproof are MR tuning and HD diesel supply. They are both tried and true. Bulletproof.
In fact, HD diesel supply is the old GDE tune that you can’t get any more in the US. That was the gold standard goto.
GDE doesn't agree with, "HD diesel supply is the old GDE tune”. Do you have any proof, or are you hearsay?