So my Oil analysis test shows increasing levels of Diesel in my oil. I made the appointment for the dealer to try and find the cause. I have no issues starting...just an occasional puff of blue smoke when I start it. Also doesn't feel down on power. Test results show higher than average levels of aluminum and iron in the oil alongside the diesel dilution. I did have a lot of extra oil that I had to extract just to get it back into the safe zone on my dipstick. 2016 Ecodiesel with +96k miles on it.

 

First, thanks for posting. This is good information to have. Second, I think there are more fuel diluted EcoDiesels running around than what people know. And lastly, how many miles were on your oil change interval?

 

here'

s the report

 

ALSO, I ran diesel extreme around 4k miles ago. I also run 4oz of FPPF total power and 4oz of FPPF fuel power in every tankful since 2016. Still running the defective High pressure fuel pump as there are no replacement pumps available until sometime next year. Everything else mechanical on the truck is stock except for the Pioneer head unit.

 

Well I reckon it's time to get some work done soon.

 

It’s getting worse!

 

Good luck getting Stellantis to help out... assuming you still have some extended warranty support left. None of my local dealers will still help me out. I'm just nursing the ecodiesel along now.

 

That's a bummer @Deanmachine
-I'm going to give the dealership a try, but I don't expect much help, if any. If I can't get any movement there, I'm going to remove the injectors and send to S&S Diesel for testing and replace whichever bad injectors there are. Testing is $60/injector plus shipping so that's about $400 for all six. New injectors are about $640 each, then there is all the other lines, gaskets, o-rings etc., so I think I could possibly get everything back to good order for around $1,600 if only one injector needs replacement.

 

I'm going to remove the injectors and send to S&S Diesel for testing and replace whichever bad injectors there are.

Keep us updated. I would like to know what the testing results produce.

 

How many miles do you have on the truck? Injectors are SUPPOSED to be covered under the ecodiesel lawsuit extended warranty. For me that's around 120k miles or so many years. whichever comes first. Keep me posted on what you find out.

 

Here is the list of said parts they are SUPPOSED to Cover... https://www.ecodieselsettlement.com/content/dam/fcacourtsettlement/pdf/AEM Extended Warranty.pdf

 

Here is the list of said parts they are SUPPOSED to Cover... https://www.ecodieselsettlement.com/content/dam/fcacourtsettlement/pdf/AEM Extended Warranty.pdf

Extended Warranty. The third objective is achieved through an Extended Warranty offered for all Subject
Vehicles that receive the Approved Emissions Modification. The Extended Warranty covers all parts and
systems affected by the Approved Emissions Modification, and the warranty term is the greater of (i) 10
years from the date of initial sale or 120,000 actual miles on the vehicle odometer, whichever comes first;
and (ii) 4 years or 48,000 miles from the date and mileage of installing the Approved Emissions
Modification on the vehicle, whichever comes first. Fiat Chrysler shall not impose on consumers any fees
or charges (and must pay any fees or charges imposed on consumers by any Dealer in accordance with
the applicable franchise agreements with such Dealers) related to the warranty service. The estimated
per-vehicle cost to Fiat Chrysler of the warranty components of this Class Action Agreement is
approximately $1,050.
Subject to the limitations on non-operable vehicles and vehicles that have modified emissions
systems, as discussed in Questions 14 and 15 below, all current owners and current lessees of
Subject Vehicles will be able to obtain the AEM and Extended Warranty regardless of whether they
are Class Members, but only Class Members are eligible for monetary compensation.

Hope this helps!

 

If nothing else keep record of the issue and costs to fix. If you are still under the extended warranty from the AEM you may get reimbursed. Seems as though some have had good results by contacting the law firm that handled the AEM.

 

@OhioTech I know! Isn't that crazy? Stuff just doesn't fix itself! LOL

@Deanmachine the truck has 118,200 miles. My AEM extended warranty is up at 124,000 miles so we will see.

 

So Dennis from Ram Corporate called me tonight. He's still trying to help with the fuel dilution issue but it seems like it's up to me to find a dealer who will take truck in to look into the cause. I'm doing another oil change this weekend and sending the sample out to the Amsoil Oil analyzer people rather than blackstone. Talked to the Oil Analyzer team today and they were super helpful with setting up the online account. Theres a massive amount of data on their website in regards to testing. It's about the same price as Blackstone too.

 

At least sounds like you should still be covered Top, just going to have to front the cost of troubleshooting/fixing it and get a reimbursement.

 

I sure hope they find metal when they do my recall. I would love new injectors. But since I've always run good fuel with lubrication, I probably won't be that fortunate.

 

Well, I have an appointment with the local dealer this morning. Hopefully I get some help.
When I made the appointment, the service writer was at least aware there is a recall on the HPFP. He said there are no parts available, of course, but seemed to be aware of what was going on with EcoDs.
Thanks to you all for your suggestions on this issue. I'm sure it is probably way more prevalent than we think.

I'll let you know how it goes.

 

Good luck @Top. I just changed my oil early this weekend and the whole shop stunk of diesel fuel. That's how much diesel was diluted in the oil. I'm still awaiting the analysis report. -Dean

 

I knew it would be like this at the dealer, but DAMN!
Yesterday I took my truck in at my 8am appointment time. The service writer I made the appointment with wasn’t there so another person assisted me. I told them the whole story, gave them a copy of the used oil analysis of the last five samples showing fuel dilution and I told them I think it is the HPFP spitting chunks into the fuel system and ruining injectors. I gave them the keys and got a ride home. At 4pm I called to ask for an update. I was told the truck was reassigned to a diesel mechanic and he was really busy but would look at it tomorrow morning.
Well now it tomorrow morning and I get a text to “call because the tech has some questions”
I called and the tech wanted to know “why do you think the oil is contaminated with fuel?”

 

I knew it would be like this at the dealer, but DAMN!
Well now it tomorrow morning and I get a text to “call because the tech has some questions”
I called and the tech wanted to know “why do you think the oil is contaminated with fuel?”

yeap, typical. No communications within the service department: OR in the past, the tech has recieved wrong info by the service manager and he just wants to make sure and "hear it from the horses mouth".

 

This reminded me of one time when I brought the 18-wheeler in because of an electrical gremlin. I explained for at least a minute what was happening and how it was so perplexing. Then I watched the service writer write down "check batteries."

 

Oh I forgot the second question-
"why are you doing used oil analysis?"

 

Its often helpful to leave the tech notes in your truck because most service writers are clueless. But as a tech (not with fca) I often talk directly to the customer and somewhat ignore the write up.

 

But as a tech (not with fca) I often talk directly to the customer and somewhat ignore the write up.

This has been my experience. My service advisors have me talk directly with the diesel tech, which I have gotten to know pretty well. My dealer experience with the EcoDiesel has been positive since day one.

 

Well-
Just got a call that they can't find anything wrong with the truck and I can come pick it up. I asked what the tech had checked specifically and they said they would find out and let me know details when I pick it up.
🤷‍♂️

 

Just got a call that they can't find anything wrong with the truck and I can come pick it up. I asked what the tech had checked specifically and they said they would find out and let me know details when I pick it up.

That doesn't surprise me. Unless your truck is throwing codes, the dealer will most likely not find a reason to investigate. In other words, your truck runs fine, drives fine, and no codes are present.

That's why I recommend that you install new injectors and be done with it OR wait until the recall, then see if the tech finds metal debris, in which you will get new injectors under the recall.

 

Pull off the solenoid, and look for metal - very easy, very quick - metal particles clearly indicate pump failure!

 

@OhioTech
I might just do that.
lol
Ol’ Mustang shawn video

 

Ol’ Mustang shawn video

I know he wasn't always popular with everyone, but I appreciated his videos, comments, thoughts, and theories about the EcoDiesel. He is greatly missed.

 

Have heard the lawyers who ram riddled the emissions lawsuit are pretty good at motivating the dealer I would shoot one an email with your UOA report.

 

Thanks for the link to Injectorsdirect.com @biodiesel
They also test injectors. $50 each for the comprehensive testing. So I reckon I could send them all six for testing and have them keep any bad injectors for core charge and replace any failed injectors. I still plan to do this after the HPFP is replaced.

 

Here is my latest Oil Report... Worse than the last 2!

Interesting that they see Silver in there too... what could that be??

 

That is bearing alloy.
Hopefully you opted for one of the thicker, more fuel resistant options like Delo.

 

Right now its Rotella 5w-40/ kendall mix. Change again in 3k and ill use Delo then. Which
weight was the delo? 15w-40? Thanks again for all your help with this nonsense.

 

Just the 5W-40. It has a lot less VII and you can see Top’s results where there’s significantly less increased wear!