[ecodiesel13]

Are they giving you a loaner or are they ordering the parts while letting you drive the truck?

I'd be ill advised to drive the truck with it needing a turbo.

Low boost = lots of soot. Which isn't good for the soot loading for the DPF.

Fortunately I am in a position in which I can leave the truck at the dealership until it is repaired. I still have other means of transportation - using an old ranch truck.

I did not drive the truck for any extended periods when the turbo was tripped in a default/safe mode - it is also not really drivable with the loss of power. When it tripped I always quickly pulled over and shut down the engine. Which "resets" the turbo and allows it to operate again upon restart.

 

[EC0RAM]

Hi Guys, I just joined the forum. Thanks for sharing the updated information much appreciated. I am on my 2nd 1500 ED. I now have a 2022 ED 1500 10th anniversary edition 33,000 which I purchased new. I absolutely love it however I have had the exact (same) experience with POOAF as ecodiesel13 They order me a new turbo under warranty yesterday. It is bit unsettling that they have to remove my cab from the body to replace it! Anyone know if the turbo issue is related to a bad batch. Have any updates/ improvements occurred? I was told mine is an actuator issue. I was told by the tech that mine had zero carbon build in fact he said it was the cleanest ED that he has seen. I have yet to have a regen. Fingers crossed this clears the problem. I am sure glad I purchased the Mopar max extend warranty 8-year 125k

 

[biodiesel]

Anyone know if the turbo issue is related to a bad batch. Have any updates/ improvements occurred?

Nothing has been reported publicly by Stellantis. So far, all failures in this small sample have been found on 2021 and 2022 models. All failures have been under 41,000 miles, which leads me to believe that there could be a quality control issue. Sorry you have to be a data point, but we appreciate you taking the time to report!

@Mzflorida (2022 Ram) 20,500 miles
Josh Nolt (2022 Ram) 20,000 miles
@EC0RAM (2022 Ram) 33,000 miles
Rob Rusk (2021 Ram) 34,000 miles
@ruskracing (2021 Ram) 34,000 miles
@ecodiesel13 (2021 Ram) 41,000 miles

 

[cudabri]

And you have definitely had a regen in 33k miles, you just don't see a message when it happens.
What is the average regen interval? Less than a thousand miles, I think...

 

[otinchon]

OlliT 56234miles(90234km)

 

[biodiesel]

OlliT 56234miles(90234km)

@otinchon, can you give us more information? What year is your truck? Did your turbo get replaced under warranty?

 

[otinchon]

Hi, it is a 22 and is under warranty, I picked it up with 46kmiles in March 23 as a RAM certified car, sadly in Germany the warranty is not valid…. As far as I know the Turbo was not changed before, the AGR was done and the BCU was done here in Germany( no warranty)……
Still like the car, but will not buy again……

 

[biodiesel]

Hi, it is a 22 and is under warranty, I picked it up with 46kmiles in March 23 as a RAM certified car, sadly in Germany the warranty is not valid…. As far as I know the Turbo was not changed before, the AGR was done and the BCU was done here in Germany

Thanks for the information. You are now the victim of the highest mileage turbo failure. So far, all failures are 2021 and 2022 models.

@Mzflorida (2022 Ram) 20,500 miles
Josh Nolt (2022 Ram) 20,000 miles
@EC0RAM (2022 Ram) 33,000 miles
Rob Rusk (2021 Ram) 34,000 miles
@ruskracing (2021 Ram) 34,000 miles
@ecodiesel13 (2021 Ram) 41,000 miles
@otinchon (2022 Ram) 56,068 miles

 

[otinchon]

Thank you, now I have a smile Today😉
It is like it is, we will have to find a Solution over here….maybe I can find someone in italy where these Engines are build….. I will Write and read here now!!!

 

[Mzflorida]

Thanks for the information. You are now the victim of the highest mileage turbo failure. So far, all failures are 2021 and 2022 models.

@Mzflorida (2022 Ram) 20,500 miles
Josh Nolt (2022 Ram) 20,000 miles
@EC0RAM (2022 Ram) 33,000 miles
Rob Rusk (2021 Ram) 34,000 miles
@ruskracing (2021 Ram) 34,000 miles
@ecodiesel13 (2021 Ram) 41,000 miles
@otinchon (2022 Ram) 56,068 miles

Hey guys. Just stopping by to research something and saw this alert. First, I hope everyone is well! Second, though I no longer have the Ram, I heard from someone at the dealership that the engine had some major failure. The sales agent called me before that asking if I had done a delete on the truck, which I didn't. When I go in, I'll try to find out more. Engine was stock with a barely broken in turbo. I'm betting the hack mechanic who made the "first attempt" at replacing the turbo screwed something up.

 

[ecodiesel13]

Wanted to provide a final update. Got my truck back the other day with a new turbocharger. Proceeded to immediately drive up some steep grades in Idaho at high speeds, and I could not get it to throw the P00AF. So, fingers crossed this new turbocharger will last a long time! Below is a high level summary of the work in case folks are curious.

1. Estimated cost: $7,200. Thankfully this was covered under the existing powertrain warranty so no out of pocket expense for me.
2. They confirmed no binding on the turbocharger actuator linkage. They did not inspect the turbocharger any further in terms of condition - they just replaced it.
3. They had to remove and reinstall the cab of the truck
4. Total time at the dealership was 32 days. (there was a period of waiting for the replacement parts to arrive - actual work to replace the turbo charger takes about 3 days)

Part numbers used (note: they return the old turbo charger - i.e. core return):

68602174-AA (Turbo Charger)
68486946-AA (Adapter Air Int)
68196325-AA (Washer banjo)
68395009-AA (Gasket Turbo Oi)
68487030-AA (Tube Turbo Wate)
68490039-AA (Seal)
68486949-AA (Seal quantity 6)

 

[biodiesel]

I had an epiphany yesterday. Instead of pulling the cab and replacing the turbo, one could simply buy a new turbo and swap actuators without all the labor costs. That would be very cost effect solution for those who are outside of warranty.

 

[biodiesel]

Here's what a faulty actuator looks like disassembled. The person who inspected this part didn't see any obvious signs of wear or defective components.

This actuator is from a 2022 Jeep Gladiator EcoDiesel. He did find a discrepancy between part numbers.

Original Actuator:
Part: 6NW010099-24
Firmware Revision or calibration: 797862-0050

New Turbo Actuator:
Part: 6NW0010099-24
Firmware Revision or calibration: 797862-0072

 

[biodiesel]

There are also a few additional tidbits learned.

1) There isn't a VGT calibration required when a new turbo or actuator is installed.

2) The P00AF code is more prevalent when the turbo is under an extended load. Oftentimes, the code is triggered when towing, especially under a sustained load. Otherwise, the turbo seems to function as intended when under normal operating conditions.

3) So far, we haven't seen a 2020 Ram or Jeep EcoDiesel with the P00AF code. All failures are found on 2021 and 2022 engines.

A few others have joined my opinion that whatever is causing the P00AF code is likely related to quality control issues. Unfortunately, nobody to my knowledge has been able to identify any flawed parts or tolerance issues.

 

[ecodiesel13]

Biodiesel, I like the idea! Except it my understanding that unlike the 2500 Ram Cummins the turbo acuator is not considered a replaceable part on the ecodiesel. The turbo and acuator is considered a set/pair. Also I would have to dig under the hood and look but is there enough room or clearance to try and just remove the acuator - assuming it is possible to remove and replace just the acuator? I do believe that the turbos themselves are not failing, and that there is an issue with the acutator.

 

[biodiesel]

Biodiesel, I like the idea! Except it my understanding that unlike the 2500 Ram Cummins the turbo acuator is not considered a replaceable part on the ecodiesel. The turbo and acuator is considered a set/pair.

The actuator is replaceable.

Old Turbo Actuator Part from a 2021 EcoDiesel: 6NW010099-24
Old Firmware Revision or Calibration: 797862-0050

New Turbo Actuator Part: 6NW0010099-24
New Firmware Revision or Calibration: 797862-0072

 

[biodiesel]

Also I would have to dig under the hood and look but is there enough room or clearance to try and just remove the acuator - assuming it is possible to remove and replace just the acuator?

The actuator has been accessible and replaced on the Jeep Wrangler/Gladiator, but I don't know how accessible it is on the Ram 1500.

 

[biodiesel]

The actuator is replaceable.

Old Turbo Actuator Part from a 2021 EcoDiesel: 6NW010099-24
Old Firmware Revision or Calibration: 797862-0050

New Turbo Actuator Part: 6NW0010099-24
New Firmware Revision or Calibration: 797862-0072

It sounds like the 2020 EcoDiesels had the older 797862-0050 actuator. For whatever reason, the part was discontinued and replaced with a new actuator 797862-0072. Those of us with 2020 EcoDiesels (Rams and Jeeps) are not having the P00AF code.

A 2021 Jeep Gladiator owner replaced his failed actuator 797862-0072 with a remanufactured 797862-0050 actuator and everything works! He took it on a long trip (Minnesota to Tennessee) that he said would have triggered the P00AF code a dozen or more times. This would explain why everyone having trouble are driving 2021 and 2022 EcoDiesels. So far, no 2020 and 2023s have been reported.

@Mzflorida (2022 Ram) 20,500 miles
Josh Nolt (2022 Ram) 20,000 miles
@EC0RAM (2022 Ram) 33,000 miles
Rob Rusk (2021 Ram) 34,000 miles
@ruskracing (2021 Ram) 34,000 miles
@ecodiesel13 (2021 Ram) 41,000 miles
@otinchon (2022 Ram) 56,068 miles

 

[ecodiesel13]

Biodiesel, thank you for all this information! As we somtimes know Mopar part numbers can sometimes really be the same part and there is no design changed or improvements. Also if it was related to only the newer actuator part numbers being the failure point, why have we not seen any 2023 ecodiesels? Too low of mileage or too new still?

I was digging under the hood of my gen 3 ecodiesel the other day and I was able to locate the turbocharger actuator. Here is the photo I took of the actuator to help folks out! The photo makes it appear like there is a lot of room, but unless you have child like hands there is really no room to work - it is crammed under that firewall and sits behind the downpipe of the charged air intake. I also took a photo looking back from a distance towards the firewall of the truck. The turbocharger actuator sits just below the red dot I placed on the photo.

 

[biodiesel]

Also if it was related to only the newer actuator part numbers being the failure point, why have we not seen any 2023 ecodiesels? Too low of mileage or too new still?

I'm guessing that the 2023 Ecodiesels have a different actuator and/or the 2023s have the latest PCM software revision. It's hard to know, but I follow the Jeep forums closely and 100% of the failures have been 2021 or 2022 models, which is the same situation for the Rams.

I was digging under the hood of my gen 3 ecodiesel the other day and I was able to locate the turbocharger actuator.

The turbo is more accessible in the Jeeps.