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#1 ·
So I decided to spend the last 50 hours looking into oil filters. I am a research nut especially since I had a knee replacement that went bad and I'm laid up for at least 3 to 4 more months (in addition to the 6 1/2 I've already put in). In any event it appears that WIX WL 10060 has a micron raton rating of 19. I purchased one at O'Reilly's for (I'm choking right about now) $29.95. Even the counter help was surprised at the cost. Anyway it was the highest micron rating I could find although there are other micron variables to consider (it's a total education on its own). then I took a look at NAPA and found the same Wix WL10060 and same price $29.95. HOWEVER a little additional research at NAPA and I found a SPI 2100060 oil filter that's made by, yup WIX with the same micron rating. $4.99!!!. I now have both and are comparing them. The $30 filter looks exactly like the $5 filter with 1 exception - for $25.00 you get 1 additional fold (40 vs 39). Does anyone have a good reason why the $5.00 filter would be different than the $30 filter? I couldn't find any on line. If they're the same I'm just going to change the $5 filter every 1500 miles. Am I nuts or am I onto something?
 
#5 · (Edited)
Don't get too caught up in micron ratings any oil filter that will filter down 25 microns is going to work, flow rate is also important, a low micron rated oil filter sounds great but will it flow enough oil as it starts to capture contaminates?

Remember Diesel oil is designed to suspend soot and the last thing you want is soot plugging up your oil filter so sometimes super low micron rating while they sound great on paper are the wrong answer in the real world.
 
#6 · (Edited)
I use K&N oil filters in my ecodiesel, both the PS-7042 Professional Series $8.99 each and the HP-7042 Performance Gold $12.99 each have 56 pleats so they have far more filter media area than the Wix oil filters you have. Filter media area is another area that is important.



I have both the PS-7042 and the HP-7042 and the HP-7042 uses a better quality rubber o-ring and the filter media even feels just a little better. Both are good oil filters.

The PS-7042 uses a Nitrile rubber o-ring while the HP-7042 uses a Viton rubber o-ring.

Viton vs Nitrile O Rings

Viton™ vs nitrile o rings
As two of the most commonly used elastomers, both Viton™ and nitrile o rings have some fantastic properties. Both offer excellent compression set and have a wide range of uses in industrial and domestic applications. However, not everything is equal between these two popular materials, and it’s important to know which is better for particular applications. Here, we’ll look at Viton™ vs nitrile o rings to see where each should be used, and why.
Nitrile o-rings
Also called NBR or Buna-N, nitrile o rings are probably the most economical and widely used elastomer out there. This material has a desirable set of properties including low compression set, high resistance to abrasion and good tensile strength.
  • Temperature range: Effective from -40°C to 120°C
  • Suitability: General purpose, particularly in areas where the seal will be exposed to hydrocarbons, oils, petrol, water and hydraulic fluids
  • Benefits: Excellent abrasion and tear resistance, cost effective
  • Limitations: Nitrile is not good at resisting degradation by ozone or weather
You’ll find nitrile o rings used in many applications, including where oil resistance is needed or where low temperature functionality is required. These include automotive, aircraft fuel systems, marine applications and more.
Viton™ o rings
The name Viton is a trademark, a bit like Hoover or Sellotape, and refers to fluorocarbon o rings, or FKM/FPM for short. This material has an excellent tolerance for high temperatures, resistance to oils, fuels and hydraulic fluids as well as aromatics and solvents.
Various types of FKM/FPM/Viton™ o rings are available, with varying amounts of fluorine additions which increase performance in specific situations.
  • Temperature range: From -40°C up to 250°C
  • Suitability: Good for use in high temperature situations or where chemicals are being used. As well as resisting oils, petrol and hydrocarbons, Viton™ is resistant to mineral acids, halogenated hydrocarbons and more.
  • Benefits: Resistant to the majority of chemicals, as well as to degradation by UV, weather, ozone and mould.
  • Limitations: Less tolerant of low temperatures
You’ll find FKM/FPM o rings in a huge variety of applications from aircraft engines to vehicle components, particularly where resistance to corrosive liquids and fuels is required. This material has low compression set characteristics, making it ideal for use in high temperature environments, as well as resistance to all sorts of chemicals.
Viton™ vs nitrile o rings – which is the right choice?
Viewing these two o ring materials at a glance, it’s easy to see some occasions where the decision of Viton™ vs nitrile o rings will be clear to see. For example, if you know your assembly works at more than 100°C, nitrile will not be suitable. If your assembly is likely to be exposed to the weather, to UV or to ozone, nitrile will likely degrade and risk failure.
Viton™ /FKM/FPM is superior to nitrile in almost all situations, excluding operation at sub zero temperatures.

Changing your oil filter every 1,500 miles is a waste of money and time.
 
#8 ·
Remember when the filter become restricted and affects oil flow your filter bypass opens and nothing gets fitted goes right to the engine
The bypass filter used to filter 5% of the oil and as the got dirty filtered less when loaded nothing
I used a good quality recommended filter and change the oil when needed
 
#13 ·
Well probably the only way to know for sure what filter is better would be to empirically determine it. It would be easiest for someone who has installed one of those remote oil filters made by Amsoil or others. You could install a flow meter on either the supply or return hose and record the flow rate as a function of service time. However a good quality calibrated flow meter can be expensive. A better technique would be to install supply and return pressure transducers. Then one could record the differential pressure as a function of service time. Of course this would require a substantial effort in time and investment. If you’re really concerned about it I would recommend using the severe service recommendation for oil/filter replacement. Bummer about the knee. Get well soon.
 
#17 ·
As someone who has a professional certification in lubrication, you need to look at the Beta rating of the filter. The problem is that you will probably not find it on any automotive filter.

Read here for an explanation of the Beta rating and why it is the rating that matters.

https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/1289/oil-filter-efficiency


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#18 ·
I have been using the K&N oil filters and their drop in air filter in my Ram. Blackstone Labs confirm that both are doing a good job, at least keeping silicon (dirt) levels low and low wear metals. 100,000+ miles, K&N air filter since new, oil filters for last 30,000 miles. Not made in China but Korea.
 
#19 ·
There are plenty of good oil filters, some are constructed better than others, people get to focused on the micron rating, and even the efficiency rating can be misleading as well, if a filter is to efficient it can end up causing the oiling system to go into bypass mode and now you are not filtering anything because the filter is plugged up.

WIX makes good filters, K&N makes good filters even Fram with their higher line makes good filters. Clearly the MOPAR filter works, way too expensive but it works. I have used K&N oil filters and I have used Royal Purple filters and both have preformed without issue in my vehicles.

You can see videos where people have taken brand new oil filters and cut them open to see the construction and the Royal Purple is always at the top of the list when it comes to the quality of the construction. Amsoil's oil filter is made by the same supplier and is identical to the Royal Purple oil filter with the exception Royal Purple has a purple colored rubber seal in it where the Amsoil has a black colored seal. The Mobile One oil filters are good oil filters as well but just a step lower in construction design than the Royal Purple/Amsoil filters.

Being that FCA decided to go with a cartridge style oil filter we have fewer choices, for me I will use the K&N HP-7042 oil filters and would not hesitate to use the K&N PS-7042 oil filter as well. If you are really looking for surface area then you want a filter with more pleats, the more pleats the more surface area it will have.
 
#20 ·
I have been running mostly Ecogard oil filters at about $10 each for 94000 miles. I have used one STP(my first change before i found ecogard) and 1 Mahle filter. No issues at all. Good oil analysis. I just ordered my next filter, a K&N, they are 2/3's the price of the Ecogard and I believe I will get similar/fine use out of it.
 
#22 ·
showed up at dealer with my engine oil filter part number ; 6822 9402 AA
part's guy hands me a box with completely different part number : 6849 2616 AA
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it looks exactly like the previous filters I used before ,
so .... i did a search here to find out how long I have been sleeping ...
I did not find anything , has the part number been different for a long time ????
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#26 ·
I've been using the Mahle/Hastings filter for a long while now.
I cut up a bunch of filters and wrote a bunch of blah blah here if you're interested-
 
#28 ·
I have 2015 Ecodisel Tradesman that I purchased used in 2019. Have changed oil twice. Just noticed I have a Magna oil filter underneath with 2 hoses connected to it. Noticed oil from was dripping from the hoses where It connected. Put hose clamps on as they had zipties on. Oil filters should be changed I think. But after checking, there is no 2nd oil filter so must be an added filter previous owner installed. Can't make out the filters as to replace it. Any ideas?
 

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#29 ·
Oil filters should be changed I think. But after checking, there is no 2nd oil filter so must be an added filter previous owner installed. Can't make out the filters as to replace it. Any ideas?
If there is still an oil filter on the top of the engine (replaceable cartridge in plastic housing), then the oil filter you found underneath is most likely a bypass oil filtration set-up
 
#33 ·
Don't really know. I was underneath the truck and saw a filter that shouldn't be there, saw 2 hoses that were wet with oil attached to it. I don't even know where the other ends attach, they just go back up into the engine compartment on Drivers side. With all the hoses, I can't tell which is which. But really don't care as it's something extra the previous owner added, but as a filter, it should be changed. I never noticed it before until I saw the wet oil where they connected. The previous owner traded it at Simi Valley Dodge, who auctioned it off, and I bought it from Beverly Hills Broker. So none of any changes or upgrades was communicated to me. It has Air Lift air bags in the rear, a ball in the truckbed center for a gooseneck trailer to be attached. I found everything after I purchased the truck. The Air Lift wireless remote was missing, but the dealership had left the previous owners info in the glove compartment and i contacted him to find out about the remote. Didn't know about the extra filter at the time. I purchased a new wirless remote and the 4Wheels joined it to the compressor. The compressor went south and I just replaced it, it's a 1st generation. Anyone know how to join it to the remote? One instruction said ground it's yellow wite, but it only has a red and black wire.
 
#35 ·
Oh, I removed it and It says oil filter and its motor oil in it. I know about the fuel filter which I have changed before. The truck has 2 oil filters. I removed it but had to put it back since I hadn't planned on it. This is the 3rd oil change I've done before finally noticing it. I've put 25 thousand miles on that filter so it should be changed.