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What is the source of this? I don't think our manuals say B20 should only be used if B5 or less is unavailable. Is this an update from the original manual? Were we all supposed to be notified?
This is information that comes with the recalled pump.
 
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What is the source of this? I don't think our manuals say B20 should only be used if B5 or less is unavailable. Is this an update from the original manual? Were we all supposed to be notified?
Yes, this is part of a card that is given to the owner of the truck AFTER the new CP4 HPFP is installed as per the outlined documents Stellantis published to the NHTSA. I suggest reading the "Technicians Service" attachment a couple pages back.
 
This is information that comes with the recalled pump.
I guess they don't give that info to the rest of us since they have to replace our pumps anyway! However, if they think B20 is bad for the HPFP, they risk paying for complete fuel system replacement instead of just the pump. I think I recall that they haven't scared you away from biodiesel--no name change yet, LOL!
 
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I guess they don't give that info to the rest of us since they have to replace our pumps anyway! However, if they think B20 is bad for the HPFP, they risk paying for complete fuel system replacement instead of just the pump. I think I recall that they haven't scared you away from biodiesel--no name change yet, LOL!
Well, like @biodiesel said, and other folks who know more about biodiesel than the rest of us, I gather it has more lubrication properties, however it lacks in the quality control department. Which you'd think that there would be a higher quality control on it and more attention being placed on it for future use.
 
The CP4 is a good pump for high quality fuel, but it's highly dependent on lubricity.
Any pump sold in the USA should handle any fuel provided from the standard supply chain tanks and delivered to and sold by a licensed fuel station. Period. Full stop.

Contamination due to excessive water, DEF, gasoline, dirt from sources outside the supply change is a different consideration and situation.
 
Any pump sold in the USA should handle any fuel provided from the standard supply chain tanks and delivered to and sold by a licensed fuel station. Period. Full stop.

Contamination due to excessive water, DEF, gasoline, dirt from sources outside the supply change is a different consideration and situation.
fully agree but the information dug through from the VW side show that Bosch knew from the start that this pump would have issues with the standard USLD sold in the US. It's only taken them 14 years to make it functionable. maybe
 
Any pump sold in the USA should handle any fuel provided from the standard supply chain tanks and delivered to and sold by a licensed fuel station. Period. Full stop.
'Should" means to be hopeful that fuel sold in the U.S. will meet and exceed lubricity requirements of the CP4 pump. Then there's the real-world in which factors come into play. U.S. fuel, by definition, meets the minimum requirements of the CP4, however, borderline fuel is going to be questionable from location to location. In other words, borderline fuel means there's not much room for mistakes and miscalculations. Fuel quality is going to depend on the refinery, the wholesaler, the transporter, and the retailer. The CP3 pump is tolerant of borderline fuel whereas the CP4 pump isn't.
 
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fully agree but the information dug through from the VW side show that Bosch knew from the start that this pump would have issues with the standard USLD sold in the US. It's only taken them 14 years to make it functionable. maybe
Personally, it should be required by law that Bosch demonstrate what they changed for the revised pump. Not only that, but demonstrate proof of testing with validated results.

Otherwise, for all we know this is another way of them tampering with our diesel trucks to fail early to get more of them off the road.

Remember: The government hates us diesel owners. On top of that, the generalized negative stigma toward diesel engines and their owners was greatly increased by Dieselgate, people tuning their trucks to belch out black smoke, many other facets along with plenty of misunderstandings of how properly operating diesel engines function.

Just look on the forum here, folks all excited about their diesel truck, then the engine blows up at 20k miles. Or the HPFP leaves a user stranded in Timbuktu. That leaves a bad taste in people's mouth too.

Then you got the rest of folks on here that are either diesel enthusiasts, or have the common sense to know that diesel is better for transportation and the environment.
 
nice thought but from the VW side, there was no such communication. Part number showed four revisions with no public explanation of what was changed. I'm not sure that they even shared those details with the service people. At least there was no discussion of "Bosch changed ..."
 
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nice thought but from the VW side, there was no such communication. Part number showed four revisions with no public explanation of what was changed. I'm not sure that they even shared those details with the service people. At least there was no discussion of "Bosch changed ..."
I hope that some Youtuber gets one of these new Bosch CP4 pumps and does a tear down and full analysis.

While I could go out and buy one myself, hack into it, it's also a little more money than I'd want to spend. But if they didn't pin the plunger assembly, then it's all going to be way above my head with metallurgy in the parts themselves to counteract excessive wear for garbage diesel fuel.
 
The first part number is the recall part number the second part number is the warranty replacement part number ….they are identical parts

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So are they just installing the same pump with recommendation to use B5 fuel and use B20 sparingly and change your fuel filter every 10K or have they changed the internals of the CP4 pump? I also saw on another forum the recall pumps are CP3 pumps with an adapter so it can retro fit to the the ecodiesel engine, is this true as I see some people are getting the fuel recommendation leaflet with their recall and some are not. Mine is in line to be replaced this week, haven't heard anything from the service tech about the two questions I posed above.
 
So are they just installing the same pump with recommendation to use B5 fuel and use B20 sparingly and change your fuel filter every 10K or have they changed the internals of the CP4 pump? I also saw on another forum the recall pumps are CP3 pumps with an adapter so it can retro fit to the the ecodiesel engine, is this true as I see some people are getting the fuel recommendation leaflet with their recall and some are not. Mine is in line to be replaced this week, haven't heard anything from the service tech about the two questions I posed above.
It’s a new part # from Bosh so it should be a new cp4 pump variant fixing the issue. What is actually different I don’t think anyone has a definitive answer.

the b5 maximum is likely CYA language for Bosh.
If you come across the post for the cp3 adapter for Ecodiesel. Please share it.

I was under the impression the Ecodiesel needed the cp4 due to the higher bar pressures the cp4 is capable of putting out over the cp3…..
 
So are they just installing the same pump with recommendation to use B5 fuel and use B20 sparingly and change your fuel filter every 10K or have they changed the internals of the CP4 pump? I also saw on another forum the recall pumps are CP3 pumps with an adapter so it can retro fit to the the ecodiesel engine, is this true as I see some people are getting the fuel recommendation leaflet with their recall and some are not. Mine is in line to be replaced this week, haven't heard anything from the service tech about the two questions I posed above.
The EcoDiesels are getting another CP4 but it is redesigned .
The earlier Cummins recall was where the CP3 with an adapter was being installed in place of the CP4.
I don't have an answer for their new fuel requirements, but I would suspect it's a CYA on the advice of Bosch and I don't know if I'd even pay attention to it... but that's just me.
 
It’s a new part # from Bosh so it should be a new cp4 pump variant fixing the issue. What is actually different I don’t think anyone has a definitive answer.

the b5 maximum is likely CYA language for Bosh.
If you come across the post for the cp3 adapter for Ecodiesel. Please share it.

I was under the impression the Ecodiesel needed the cp4 due to the higher bar pressures the cp4 is capable of putting out over the cp3…..
Tech got back and doesn't know, just said they are replacing pump with the updated part #, he said the new pump and recall one look exactly the same, who knows if the internals are different.
 
I'm a little confused. Just got my truck recall done at a dealer when three other dealers said they couldn't get parts. I got the CSSMZ461AA pump with the flyer and the change your fuel filter every 8,000 miles. So, did I get the same old bad pump?
Thanks.
 
I'm a little confused. Just got my truck recall done at a dealer when three other dealers said they couldn't get parts. I got the CSSMZ461AA pump with the flyer and the change your fuel filter every 8,000 miles. So, did I get the same old bad pump?
Thanks.
You received the updated pump. Some of us live in diesel county where hundreds of EcoDiesels were sold in a concentrated area. I'm just now able to buy my 2023 Jeep Gladiator EcoDiesel which has been waiting for the recall to be completed before it could be sold. It will probably be many more months before they have a pump for my 2015 or 2020 truck. It boils down to supply and demand.
 
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