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Here's my experience with the GDE tune:

Once the active regen message shows in my EVIC display (the message says the filter is 80% full) and if I'm not traveling at freeway speeds I try to keep the engine between 1,500 & 2,000 rpm by manually shifting gears. Once the regen message shows that the filter is 70% full I know that the active regen has begun. I've found that at this point I can drive at whatever speed I want and the regen will finish. I can also park it at this point, the truck will cool itself while parked, and the regen will start again when the filter is again 80% full.

(This morning I completed my regen at idle)
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Hello, I am new to the forum and hoping the group can provide me some guidance. Have a 2015 Promaster. Been to a private diesel repair shop and then towed over to the dealership. The diagnosis was a particulate filter that was not able to be regen'd. I owe 7K on the van and it would cost between 6 and 7k to fix per the dealership. I found a place in California that I can ship the particulate filter to where they perform a manual cleaning (guaranteed, so they say). Can anyone provide some guidance here. I am really at a loss how Dodge or any dealership would think a working guy can maintain a vehicle that includes a repair that can cost close to 10k....just maddening.
thank you...
 
Hello,
Hello, I am new to the forum and hoping the group can provide me some guidance. Have a 2015 Promaster. Been to a private diesel repair shop and then towed over to the dealership. The diagnosis was a particulate filter that was not able to be regen'd. I owe 7K on the van and it would cost between 6 and 7k to fix per the dealership. I found a place in California that I can ship the particulate filter to where they perform a manual cleaning (guaranteed, so they say). Can anyone provide some guidance here. I am really at a loss how Dodge or any dealership would think a working guy can maintain a vehicle that includes a repair that can cost close to 10k....just maddening.
thank you...
FWIW, that's not the same Ecodiesel engine. You might want to look for a Promaster forum. OTOH, the filters must use the same technology, so you might find advice on any diesel forum, including this one.
 
Hello,
Hello, I am new to the forum and hoping the group can provide me some guidance. Have a 2015 Promaster. Been to a private diesel repair shop and then towed over to the dealership. The diagnosis was a particulate filter that was not able to be regen'd. I owe 7K on the van and it would cost between 6 and 7k to fix per the dealership. I found a place in California that I can ship the particulate filter to where they perform a manual cleaning (guaranteed, so they say). Can anyone provide some guidance here. I am really at a loss how Dodge or any dealership would think a working guy can maintain a vehicle that includes a repair that can cost close to 10k....just maddening.
thank you...
Much cheaper to tune and delete.

Search Youtube on cleaning the dpf.
 
Looking for some help on my Ecodiesel. I have a 2014 Ecodiesel with GDE tune. I monitor EGT Sensors and Normalized Trigger to Regen on my OBD Fusion App. Recently my normalized trigger to regen fluctuates a lot going up and down. I've noticed when I'm on the accelerator my regen % will jump 20% or more temporarily until I am not accelerating as hard or coasting. Once off the accelerator the % will drop back down. This constant fluctuations causes the truck to be confused on regen and I think is creating more regens than necessary. I thought the % would only go up until it was time to regen. With OBD I have the message that will tell me I'm at 80% and a regen is happening. With the fluctuation sometimes I will get the message momentarily then it goes away if I am not accelerating as hard. I will then sometimes suddenly get a 50% completed regen and it may or may not continue to count down like a normal regen. I seem to be having to regen every other day with these constant changes. Hopefully this makes sense. I have cleaned all of the EGT sensors and Particulate matter sensor. Not sure how to test or see if one of those is the problem. Hoping someone else has had this issue or has knowledge of the system. What cause the % to go up on the Normalized trigger to regen? Thanks for any help.
 
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How many miles on the truck? I can't offer any specific help, but here's the soot loading strategy that may help with troubleshooting:

Soot Loading Strategy (Quoted from Forum Sponsor GDE)

The ECU runs two different strategies in parallel and takes the higher of the two outputs to determine the current soot loading:

Strategy 1 is a simulated value, and is calculated according to how complete the previous regeneration was, and how the engine/vehicle has been operating since then (engine speed, load, ambient conditions, exhaust temps, etc). Different OEMs design different variations of such a strategy, but for the most part the high level concepts are similar. The strategy employed by the Ram's stock tune is fairly rudimentary.

Strategy 2 is a physically measured value calculated off of measured pressure drop across the DPF, the DPF temperature, and the known flow rate of exhaust gasses.

The soot loading is used to trigger the regeneration when all the correct criteria are met.





Just as a note for some more info...

Passive regens happen when there is sufficient exhaust temperature and a favorable NO2/NOx ratio for the soot to burn. This phenomena will happen starting with exhaust temps in the 380-400°C range.
However...the stock tunes are not capable to detect that passive regeneration is taking place, and to thus slow the modeled accumulation of soot and/or decrease it if the burn rate exceeds the production rate. This is why the intervals are not improved more in the highway cycles.

...we fixed this with our tunes, in order to avoid regenerating when it's not necessary.
 
How many miles on the truck? I can't offer any specific help, but here's the soot loading strategy that may help with troubleshooting:

Soot Loading Strategy (Quoted from Forum Sponsor GDE)

The ECU runs two different strategies in parallel and takes the higher of the two outputs to determine the current soot loading:

Strategy 1 is a simulated value, and is calculated according to how complete the previous regeneration was, and how the engine/vehicle has been operating since then (engine speed, load, ambient conditions, exhaust temps, etc). Different OEMs design different variations of such a strategy, but for the most part the high level concepts are similar. The strategy employed by the Ram's stock tune is fairly rudimentary.

Strategy 2 is a physically measured value calculated off of measured pressure drop across the DPF, the DPF temperature, and the known flow rate of exhaust gasses.

The soot loading is used to trigger the regeneration when all the correct criteria are met.





Just as a note for some more info...

Passive regens happen when there is sufficient exhaust temperature and a favorable NO2/NOx ratio for the soot to burn. This phenomena will happen starting with exhaust temps in the 380-400°C range.
However...the stock tunes are not capable to detect that passive regeneration is taking place, and to thus slow the modeled accumulation of soot and/or decrease it if the burn rate exceeds the production rate. This is why the intervals are not improved more in the highway cycles.

...we fixed this with our tunes, in order to avoid regenerating when it's not necessary.
I have 136K miles on the truck. Thanks for the info. I am going to start looking into the steps of both of those strategies and see where I get. I do notice my EGT Sensor 1 temps seem to get over 1000 degrees pretty fast and regularly. Does anyone know if this is normal? What sensors measure pressure drop across the DPF?
 
I have 136K miles on the truck. Thanks for the info. I am going to start looking into the steps of both of those strategies and see where I get. I do notice my EGT Sensor 1 temps seem to get over 1000 degrees pretty fast and regularly. Does anyone know if this is normal? What sensors measure pressure drop across the DPF?
I've found the correct thread of people having this same issue and will move all questions to there. Thanks
Its DPF loading / Regeneration issue --- any ideas where to look? if anyone else is looking for that info.
 
JoeGo88. I have a 2015 with 202K on it. Just had the EGR assembly replaced. Now, I also, am experiencing fluctuations in the soot mass percentage. It used to go up, but never down until after a regeneration. I have an ODBLink MX+ and the SAE PID for DPF pressure differential I use is “DPF bank 1 delta pressure”. I have seen values from zero to just over 3lbs. The high values come at 2000 rpm plus when the soot mass is 50% or higher.
 
I have a few questions for @GDE regarding EGT's and PID from AUTEL PF_DP (which I figured out is DELTA P"
I'm getting .2psi at idle and 1.8-2+ psi merging onto the interstate with logically escalating EGTs 600-800F. the delta p duration logically told the ecm the soot climbed 30% and after another 5 miles it hit the threshold, did active regen and dropped to 9%, after 20 miles I was back to 25%

backstory, I was getting 100-150 mile regens, then towed 5hrs up and down 1000' twice with several 200' up and downs along the way. AC on, 7pin connected to 12v DC fridge, 20miles from camp threw underboost code and i beat the hell out of it to get to camp without my reader.... horrendous smell on exhaust at idle at camp until after I drove home the 5hrs of which the last 2.5 had no trailer but still 7,000lb truck..... threw regen frequency when I got home.
  1. what happens in under boost in p0299 no limp mode? no boost, no TCC but it's hot satins labyrinth under the hood in that mode whats the deal?
  2. Did driving in underboost P0299 for 20 miles, periodically 100% throttle to maintain 20mph on hills clog the DPF? EDIT P0299 was cleared 300 miles ago without return... so now:
  3. Is it normal to have sustained 600-800F EGT11 with 400-600 EGT 12 & 13 and are my PSI's insanely high?
  4. at idle the EGTs are high 300's low 400's, is that high?
  5. bad diesel? I got No.2 Diesel at a passenger side of truck stop, should be typical diesel?
latest PF_REGEN_AVGD average distance climbed from 23 to 57 miles and actually completed an ACTIVE regen.

the big question is can I tell my wife with confidence the biggest problem is the juvenile high school graduate programming and GDE tune, even at this point will save me the $3500 on the DPF for say 10,000 miles.... i say that partially joking.

seems like dodge has a programming issue with P0299.....this is identical to my issue and others, really REALLY HOPING your EPA compliant tune fixes it!!
 
Did you send an email to GDE? Driving with underboost code is not advisable as there is not enough fresh air and most likely a lot of soot being produced.
I did not send an email, but I can copy and paste this into an email. I didn't really have a lot of choices with no cell in the Adirondacks on RTE28 with a 30' RV trailer.... :confused:. I think it's time for your tune.

email sent
 
Someone is telling me that DEF usage is higher (or exclusively?) during regeneration to decrease NOX in the exhaust. I hadn't heard this before. I thought NOX was produced during compression and combustion; since extra fuel for regens is injected during the exhaust stroke, I wouldn't expect more NOX production in the cylinders. Would NOX be produced in the DPF in such an amount that more DEF would be required?
 
Prior to GDE tune last month my regen was 130+/- miles per regen (prior to my towing mishap). GDE doubled the distance, last one was 260+/- miles. It's pretty hilly terrain here and with a 3.92 gear it and 5,800lb curb weight she's a bit heavy. I think the higher RPM's actually generate more soot but somebody might know the actual answer to that? (285/65/20 E rated General ATX will do that and the sport wheels are 9" not 8" wide). anyways, on flat ground I'd probably got 400 miles. with a 30 mile commute each way I've realized I only really get about 12-15 miles "free and clear".

I did trick the truck during a low speed regen 35-50mph by keeping the rpms around 3K lol.... it worked but my mpgs tanked from 26.4 to 25 in 1 regen....

the truck is regening down to 0% and I do very much enjoy the countdown message.
Eventually getting an android and app to monitor soot.... not too interested in parking the truck with 80% soot.

so it's kind of interesting the stock tune initiates regen 15% lower soot load than @GDE does which automatically extends the regen range.
 
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The soot load % is just based off a model and does not equate to actual soot loading. We use grams/liter for soot load and regen initiation. Regardless of soot %, we use same gram loading for regen as stock, just takes more miles to fill dpf before needing a regeneration. Glad you are seeing positive results from the tuning.
 
So...you guys are only seeing the distance to regen, and how long it takes to regen because of the GDE tune, or similar tune, correct?!?! You can't see this on a stock truck with all stock programming?? I would like to he able to watch a regen, or know it is happening...I don't necessarily need/want more power, just want to see the vitals and be able to monitor certain things.
 
So...you guys are only seeing the distance to regen, and how long it takes to regen because of the GDE tune, or similar tune, correct?!?! You can't see this on a stock truck with all stock programming?? I would like to he able to watch a regen, or know it is happening...I don't necessarily need/want more power, just want to see the vitals and be able to monitor certain things.
There is no distance but it takes about 10-15 miles. The dash on the infotainment "messages" section shows the percentage drop as you drive. GDE tune notifies you at 80% and does the percentage count down. GDE tune also doubles the distance (for me at least).
 
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So...you guys are only seeing the distance to regen, and how long it takes to regen because of the GDE tune, or similar tune, correct?!?! You can't see this on a stock truck with all stock programming?? I would like to he able to watch a regen, or know it is happening...I don't necessarily need/want more power, just want to see the vitals and be able to monitor certain things.
I don't believe there is any way to determine when a regen is due or happening with the stock tune. The only time you'll get any type of notice is if the DPF builds to over 90% (?) and you get a warning screen to drive to reduce soot load. In 6 years, I've gotten the message once and that was during the covid shutdown and my longest trip for several months was 7 miles.
 
Discussion starter · #300 ·
Your vehicle has the ability to alert you to additional
maintenance required on your vehicle or engine. Refer to
the following messages that may be displayed on your
Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC):

• Exhaust Filter XX% Full Safely Drive at Highway
Speeds to Remedy — This message will be displayed
in the Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC)
if the exhaust particulate filter reaches 80% of its maximum
storage capacity. Under conditions of exclusive
short duration and low speed driving cycles, your
diesel engine and exhaust after-treatment system may
never reach the conditions required to cleanse the filter
to remove the trapped PM. If this occurs, the “Exhaust
Filter XX% Full Safely Drive at Highway Speeds to
Remedy” message will be displayed in the EVIC. If
this message is displayed, you will hear one chime to
assist in alerting you of this condition. By simply
driving your vehicle at highway speeds for up to 20
minutes, you can remedy the condition in the particulate
filter system and allow your diesel engine and
exhaust after-treatment system to cleanse the filter to
remove the trapped PM and restore the system to
normal operating condition.

• Exhaust System — Regeneration In Process Exhaust
Filter XX% Full — This message indicates that the
Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) is self-cleaning. Maintain
your current driving condition until regeneration
is completed.

• Exhaust System — Regeneration Completed — This
message indicates that the Diesel Particulate Filter
(DPF) self-cleaning is completed. If this message is
displayed, you will hear one chime to assist in alerting
you of this condition.

• Exhaust Service Required — See Dealer Now — This
messages indicates regeneration has been disabled due
to a system malfunction. At this point the engine
Powertrain Control Module (PCM) will register a fault
code, the instrument panel will display a MIL light.

CAUTION!
See your authorized dealer, as damage to the exhaust
system could occur soon with continued operation.

• Exhaust Filter Full — Power Reduced See Dealer —
This message indicates the PCM has derated the
engine to limit the likelihood of permanent damage to
the after-treatment system. If this condition is not
corrected and a dealer service is not performed, extensive
exhaust after-treatment damage can occur. To
correct this condition it will be necessary to have your
vehicle serviced by your local authorized dealer.

CAUTION!
See your authorized dealer, as damage to the exhaust
system could occur soon with continued operation.
 
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