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I don't think this will work once it's at 100% and in limp mode. It will require a stationary regen using the WiTech or AlfaOBD. However, it's possible to complete a regen with operating temperature and a fast idle before it reaches 100%. It takes about 1500 RPM. I personally wouldn't floor it as explained in the post. It's a little difficult to feather the pedal, but I've done it several times during a regen when I had to stop before it was complete.
 
I don't think this will work once it's at 100% and in limp mode. It will require a stationary regen using the WiTech or AlfaOBD. However, it's possible to complete a regen with operating temperature and a fast idle before it reaches 100%. It takes about 1500 RPM. I personally wouldn't floor it as explained in the post. It's a little difficult to feather the pedal, but I've done it several times during a regen when I had to stop before it was complete.
I got the EVIC message for the DPF being 80% full the other day and didn't have time to make a regen run at highway speeds. The next day I had the time so I took the truck out and it then said 90% full. I drove for around 30 minutes at highway speeds and it climbed to 100% and stayed there. Now the EVIC says DPF 100% full - See dealer. I was able to run a forced regen cycle in my driveway with AlphaOBD this afternoon. The EVIC is still showing this message and the P2463 code is being read by AlphaOBD. I'm also seeing a "Service Throttle Body" message flashing on the EVIC (maybe insult added to injury here? :ROFLMAO:).

Any experience with this?
Will another forced regen in my driveway help or hurt the situation?
Will a driving regen triggered from AlphaOBD help?

If none of the above, should I just prepare myself for a trip to the stealership (please sir, may I have another)?
 
Discussion starter · #265 ·
I got the EVIC message for the DPF being 80% full the other day and didn't have time to make a regen run at highway speeds. The next day I had the time so I took the truck out and it then said 90% full. I drove for around 30 minutes at highway speeds and it climbed to 100% and stayed there. Now the EVIC says DPF 100% full - See dealer. I was able to run a forced regen cycle in my driveway with AlphaOBD this afternoon. The EVIC is still showing this message and the P2463 code is being read by AlphaOBD. I'm also seeing a "Service Throttle Body" message flashing on the EVIC (maybe insult added to injury here? :ROFLMAO:).

Any experience with this?
Will another forced regen in my driveway help or hurt the situation?
Will a driving regen triggered from AlphaOBD help?

If none of the above, should I just prepare myself for a trip to the stealership (please sir, may I have another)?
Is it in limp mode? I would try another forced regen.

an older post from GDE mentions "Once you see Exhaust Filter 100% full and you're also in limp home mode, then you've set the P2463 DPF Overload fault. This fault inhibits regular on-road regenerations "
 
Is it in limp mode? I would try another forced regen.

an older post from GDE mentions "Once you see Exhaust Filter 100% full and you're also in limp home mode, then you've set the P2463 DPF Overload fault. This fault inhibits regular on-road regenerations "
Thanks for the reply.
It's not in limp mode, thankfully, but it have noticed a bit of a reduction in power and also higher RPMs before hitting shift points.

I ran another forced regen this morning and nothing seems to have changed with regard to the EVIC message. It's still showing after finishing the regen cycle. AlphaOBD also says that the soot% has not decreased at all. I find this all very strange, but at the same time some of the things implemented by Ram for this truck are a bit strange.

I've made an appointment with the dealer for them to look at it on Friday. I'll be pushing them to cover this under my AEM warranty that I still have for another year.

If I figure anything out between now and then I'll cancel the appointment.
 
Discussion starter · #267 ·
Thanks for the reply.
It's not in limp mode, thankfully, but it have noticed a bit of a reduction in power and also higher RPMs before hitting shift points.

I ran another forced regen this morning and nothing seems to have changed with regard to the EVIC message. It's still showing after finishing the regen cycle. AlphaOBD also says that the soot% has not decreased at all. I find this all very strange, but at the same time some of the things implemented by Ram for this truck are a bit strange.

I've made an appointment with the dealer for them to look at it on Friday. I'll be pushing them to cover this under my AEM warranty that I still have for another year.

If I figure anything out between now and then I'll cancel the appointment.
I was hoping for better results. Please keep us posted. Thanks
 
You well need to do a reset basically telling the ecm the dpf has been changed
Well, holy cow, that seems to have been the ticket! Thanks @Brokedownbutgood !
I ran the "Particulate filter replacement" setting in AlphaOBD, turned the truck off and waited longer than the instructed 40 seconds (just to be sure), started it back up. No more MIL, no more message on the EVIC.

After that reset, AlphaOBD is reading Percentage of soot mass, %: 8.5
Before the reset, it was 112

Seems like the procedure would be:
  • Run the forced DPF regen, if you are like me and get yourself into this situation.
  • Run the Particulate filter replacement
  • turn truck off for a minute or two
  • start truck back up
  • smile because you don't have to go to the stealership.

Thanks all who chimed in and contributed! This is a great community!
 
I purchased a 2016 Ecodiesel with 30,000 miles on it. I ran the truck up to 125,000 miles and never had any indication of an active or passive regen. I now own a 2020 with 60,000 miles and have had the same experience, no indication of any regens, no fault codes, no messages that my DEF needed any kind of work. Don't know if I'm just lucky, but I think it has more to do with how I drive them. When I'm in the city I keep the Tow Mode On unless I get on the freeway and will get over 60mph. I always let the engine warm up a couple of minutes before driving and I always try to idle and let the oil temp get down to 206 or 204 degrees before I shut it down. Hope maybe this will help some people who are having regen issues.
 
These trucks do such a good job with passive regens, that I can only think of one time in my almost 80k miles that I knew the truck was doing a regen. I was leaving work and it started to run rough with a higher than normal rpm. I knew from my VW that it was starting a regen.
 
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These trucks do such a good job with passive regens, that I can only think of one time in my almost 80k miles that I knew the truck was doing a regen. I was leaving work and it started to run rough with a higher than normal rpm. I knew from my VW that it was starting a regen.
There are three ways (two methods) the DPF will regenerate. I'll give a very brief description below.

1. Passive: when EGT's are high enough (no fuel is injected).
2. Active: when ECM commands fuel injection with exhaust stroke (65-90% soot level)
3. Forced: commanded with WiTech or similar (necessary when when active regens fail & soot level reaches the point of causing limp mode). This is still an active regen by definition (fuel injected during exhaust stroke).

The 2nd Gen Ecodiesel likely will never see a passive regen.

GDE explained it well in this old post:

"Passive regens happen when there is sufficient exhaust temperature and a favorable NO2/NOx ratio for the soot to burn. This phenomena will happen starting with exhaust temps in the 380-400°C range.
However...the stock tunes are not capable to detect that passive regeneration is taking place, and to thus slow the modeled accumulation of soot and/or decrease it if the burn rate exceeds the production rate. This is why the intervals are not improved more in the highway cycles.

...we fixed this with our tunes, in order to avoid regenerating when it's not necessary."
 
I have a 2017 eco diesel 137k miles and have had to take the truck to my mechanic for a forced Regan 3x in the last 20k miles. Is this normal? He charges me 200 for this.dealership want to replace the DPF for 4k. How hard is it to use a scanner and force a regen? Which one is easier to use?
 
I have a 2017 eco diesel 137k miles and have had to take the truck to my mechanic for a forced Regan 3x in the last 20k miles. Is this normal? He charges me 200 for this.dealership want to replace the DPF for 4k. How hard is it to use a scanner and force a regen? Which one is easier to use?
I have used alphaobd and best I can remember a forced regen was pretty easy, but I deleted shortly afterwards (IMO it helps)

I use ;

AlphaOBD
OBDlink MX+ (for the reader) There are lower cost options (VeePeek seems to be popular and a good bit less expensive)
and use a cheap old tablet (android) to talk to the reader

and it will help you clear codes, "service electronic throttle" is pretty generic, did you note the code????
 
Hello there
I wanted to ask for some expert help here as I am having a regen issue.
I am driving a 2016 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. Never really had any trouble with regens. Usually drive 20 minutes in the highway and problem solved. Until yesterday.....

I had my truck at the dealer and they changed the EGR under warranty. After 50 miles or so I got a 4953 code for EGR performance. Never thought anything of it. I erased the code to see if it would come back. The next day my Evic comes with the message DPF filter 80% full, so I went on a drive. About 100 miles but nothing changed. Currently my evic shows I am at 100% but no codes are shown and no limp mode. Alfa OBD will not allow a manual regen, It says conditions or sequence not followed even though coolant is 60c and truck is at idle. I have the Torque pro installed and my EGT sensor shows -40c for EGT4. Would that stop a regen from happening.

Cheers
Aaron
 
Regeneration of the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) Here's some basic information concerning the self cleaning (regeneration) of the Diesel Particulate Filter: Active = fuel is injected into the exhaust stroke strictly for the purpose of increasing exhaust gas temperatures (EGT's) in order to get to the temperature necessary to burn the soot out of the diesel particulate filter (DPF). Your truck will regenerate (active) when the DPF soot level reaches 65%. This will likely occur every 100-300 miles. You will only see the notice on the EVIC if the soot level reaches 80-90% due to uncompleted regens. Active self-regeneration occurs when there is not sufficient heat in the exhaust to convert all the carbon being collected in the DPF. Exhaust temperatures are raised by injecting a small amount of fuel upstream of the Diesel Particulate Filter. The resulting chemical reaction over the DOC raises exhaust gas temperatures high enough to oxidize the carbon from the filter. This is all done without any operator intervention. Passive = the engine is working hard enough under its own power that the EGT's are hot enough to keep the regeneration of the DPF in process, there is no extra fuel burned as it is not necessary. Based on my observations, you will not see EGT’s hot enough for passive regeneration at unloaded highway speeds. The EGT’s are actually quite low when cruising on the highway unless you are towing a heavy load, are carrying a full payload, or driving hard. From forum member Patty: The truck's programming will make many repeated attempts to regenerate the DPF, from a high soot mass level of 65% down to B] Your vehicle has the ability to alert you to additional maintenance required on your vehicle or engine. Refer to the following messages that may be displayed on your Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC): • Exhaust Filter XX% Full Safely Drive at Highway Speeds to Remedy — This message will be displayed on the Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC) if the exhaust particulate filter reaches 80% of its maximum storage capacity. Under conditions of exclusive short duration and low speed driving cycles, your diesel engine and exhaust after-treatment system may never reach the conditions required to cleanse the filter to remove the trapped PM. If this occurs, the “Exhaust Filter XX% Full Safely Drive at Highway Speeds to Remedy” message will be displayed in the EVIC. If this message is displayed, you will hear one chime to assist in alerting you of this condition. By simply driving your vehicle at highway speeds for up to 20 minutes, you can remedy the condition in the particulate filter system and allow your diesel engine and exhaust after-treatment system to cleanse the filter to remove the trapped PM and restore the system to normal operating condition. • Exhaust System — Regeneration In Process Exhaust Filter XX% Full — This message indicates that the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) is self-cleaning. Maintain your current driving condition until regeneration is completed. • Exhaust System — Regeneration Completed — This message indicates that the Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) self-cleaning is completed. If this message is displayed, you will hear one chime to assist in alerting you of this condition. • Exhaust Service Required — See Dealer Now — This messages indicates regeneration has been disabled due to a system malfunction. At this point the engine Powertrain Control Module (PCM) will register a fault code, the instrument panel will display a MIL light. • Exhaust Filter Full — Power Reduced See Dealer — This message indicates the PCM has derated the engine to limit the likelihood of permanent damage to the after-treatment system. If this condition is not corrected and a dealer service is not performed, extensive exhaust after-treatment damage can occur. To correct this condition it will be necessary to have your vehicle serviced by your local authorized dealer. CAUTION! See your authorized dealer, as damage to the exhaust system could occur soon with continued operation. Soot Loading Strategy (Quoted from Forum Sponsor GDE) The ECU runs two different strategies in parallel and takes the higher of the two outputs to determine the current soot loading: Strategy 1 is a simulated value, and is calculated according to how complete the previous regeneration was, and how the engine/vehicle has been operating since then (engine speed, load, ambient conditions, exhaust temps, etc). Different OEMs design different variations of such a strategy, but for the most part the high level concepts are similar. The strategy employed by the Ram's stock tune is fairly rudimentary. Strategy 2 is a physically measured value calculated off of measured pressure drop across the DPF, the DPF temperature, and the known flow rate of exhaust gasses. The soot loading is used to trigger the regeneration when all the correct criteria are met. Just as a note for some more info... Passive regens happen when there is sufficient exhaust temperature and a favorable NO2/NOx ratio for the soot to burn. This phenomena will happen starting with exhaust temps in the 380-400°C range. However... the stock tunes are not capable to detect that passive regeneration is taking place, and to thus slow the modeled accumulation of soot and/or decrease it if the burn rate exceeds the production rate. This is why the intervals are not improved more in the highway cycles. ...we fixed this with our tunes, in order to avoid regenerating when it's not necessary.
 
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