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Interesting... I have a Lance 815 with a dry weight of 1500ish. I used it on my '98 1/2, 2500 CTD. I have the Timbrens but wondered if it was worth adding "E" rated tires and sway bar to try the camper on the ED. I plan to buy a travel trailer(24-28') later but would like to use the Lance for now. I only plan to take it 20-30 miles from home. It sounds like it is overloaded a bit but doable. Any advice? I also think I can get 17" wheels AND tires for only a little more than 20" tires alone...
As long as the 815 is OK with your bed length I wouldn't worry about going 20-30 miles. I now have well over 10k miles on my ecod with the Lance 650 and its been great. If you were to keep using the camper for longer trips I would go to LT or e rated tires when yours wear out. I think part of the reason the 650 rides so well on my truck is that the COG is 21" so the weight is pretty well distributed front to rear.
 
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El Jefe, any additional rear suspension mods that you experimented with lately?
I just removed my sumosprings yesterday and I have a set of Timbren DR1500DQ's on order arriving Wednesday. I'll install them before taking the camper and trailer on a trip this weekend and report back. I really wanted to try the Timber Grove air bags but I am concerned about how they might interfere with the factory air suspension. From an ease of installation (and removal) I figured I would give the Timbrens a try first. I am hoping that the Timbrens will help support the suspension without making the unloaded ride overly harsh. If not, I'll sell them on this forum and try the Timber Grove air bags.
 
Hey Sibbles, what bed length is your truck? Torklift only lists the front tie downs for a 6'4" bed. Will they fit on a 5'7" too?

I have a little 90's 7.5' slide-in made for an import truck that weighs just over 1000lbs dry. I used eye bolts under the wings and fastened them to the bed loops using turn buckles on my '14 hemi, but I recognize that this wasn't the ideal way to do things so I'm looking into the setups that you end El Jefe are using.

El Jefe how do you like your front tie downs?
 
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I like my tiedowns form an aesthetic standpoint but I think the torklift makes for a more secure anchor point. I think my front mounts are very secure but the rear tie downs use the rear bumper which has some give to it which I think allows the cab over portion of the camper to bounce on rough roads. I think this is amplified by the weight distribution of my camper (CG really far forward). We have a shop in WA that builds custom torklift type mounts that seem really nice and people like them. They are priced comparably to the torklifts. I'm not sure if this is common practice.
 
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El Jefe, any updates on rear suspension modifications and ride quality with slide in camper?
I removed the sumosprings and tried the timbrens. With my truck the Timbren DR1500DQ's were resting on the axle all the time and the ride was somewhat bouncy with the camper and trailer, too bouncy with just the camper and intolerable with an empty truck. Fortunately they are MUCH easier to install and remove than the sumosprings (5 minutes tops). For now, I have been putting them in when I need them and removing them as soon as the camper comes off. The last couple trips were with the camper and no trailer and the factory air suspension handles the load perfectly. This whole thing started because I took a few trips at the beginning of the summer with 4 adults and all their gear in the truck, slide in camper and 3500lb trailer with 15% tongue weight. I've been less worried lately about trying to set up the truck for this situation and more focused on keeping weight out of the truck with the camper on.

My plan is to sell my timbrens and try the timber grove bags but with no towing/camper trips planned for the remainder of the year I may just leave the truck as is and let the factory air suspension do its thing.
 
OK if you have to throw thousands of dollars at a truck to make it some what safe to drive with a slide in camper why wouldn't you just buy the right tool for the job in the first place? By using a 1500 Ram that is not rated for a slide-in camper you have now opened yourself up to a big time liability suit that your insurance company will not cover! There are way to many lawsuit happy people out there to open yourself and your family to a lawsuit IMO! I do know for a fact that the CHP knows that almost all half ton trucks are not rated for a slide-in camper and have given people citations and towed their vehicles!

As for the 2500 Rams they too run a coil rear spring and some are also not rated for a slide-in camper. It is the buyers responsibility to make sure the truck you are buying is rated for the job you intend to use it for!

I don't get it so maybe someone can enlighten me?
 
He has already stated that he would have been better to start with a 2500. He likes the truck and the 1/2 ton specific camper. Its not a live in travel the country deal. The truck is a normal driver that gets the slide in for short weekend camps.

While the air suspension plus the air bags may sound hodge podge I suspect when you get the air bag pressure right for your load that it will work better than the other things you have tried. It may sound like it could be floaty and pogo ish but I bet its not. I look forward to your results. Also i really wish you would try the roadmaster bar and just sell the Hellwig. I suspect this will also make a dramatic difference is how she handles curves. And compliment or compensate however you look at it with what you are going to do. What tires are you running?
 
Who cares about enlightening you. Why don't you just do us a favor and sit this thread out.

OK if you have to throw thousands of dollars at a truck to make it some what safe to drive with a slide in camper why wouldn't you just buy the right tool for the job in the first place? By using a 1500 Ram that is not rated for a slide-in camper you have now opened yourself up to a big time liability suit that your insurance company will not cover! There are way to many lawsuit happy people out there to open yourself and your family to a lawsuit IMO! I do know for a fact that the CHP knows that almost all half ton trucks are not rated for a slide-in camper and have given people citations and towed their vehicles!

As for the 2500 Rams they too run a coil rear spring and some are also not rated for a slide-in camper. It is the buyers responsibility to make sure the truck you are buying is rated for the job you intend to use it for!

I don't get it so maybe someone can enlighten me?
 
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OK if you have to throw thousands of dollars at a truck to make it some what safe to drive with a slide in camper why wouldn't you just buy the right tool for the job in the first place? By using a 1500 Ram that is not rated for a slide-in camper you have now opened yourself up to a big time liability suit that your insurance company will not cover! There are way to many lawsuit happy people out there to open yourself and your family to a lawsuit IMO! I do know for a fact that the CHP knows that almost all half ton trucks are not rated for a slide-in camper and have given people citations and towed their vehicles!

As for the 2500 Rams they too run a coil rear spring and some are also not rated for a slide-in camper. It is the buyers responsibility to make sure the truck you are buying is rated for the job you intend to use it for!

I don't get it so maybe someone can enlighten me?

As others have noted I have shared my thought process regarding the camper on this truck. I would probably be better suited with a 2500 but the camper purchase happened after the truck purchase and I wanted to see how it worked before considering a larger truck, and I wouldn't buy a 1 ton truck for a 1500lb camper just because Ram doesn't 'recommend' a 2500 with a slide in camper.

I have spent well below $1000 on suspension modifications, and these are things I would do to any truck with a camper (sway bar and HD shocks) for the sake of safety. The current discussion is around adding air bags so I have the ability to manually control the rear suspension. Air bags or some type of overload spring are installed on almost every truck on the road safely carrying a camper (including 3/4 and 1T trucks).

This is a half ton/short bed specific camper with a dry weight of around 1500lbs. This camper on the ecodiesel handles better than any other camper on any other truck I've driven. I see a lot of 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks on the road with huge campers on that appear overloaded and look unsafe. I am being very proactive about optimizing the handling of my truck with the camper and I am sharing my findings on this forum because others seem interested.

I've spent a lot of time in this truck, and it has a rated payload of around 1100lbs. I've also spent considerable time in an F150 which has a payload rating of 1600-2300lbs. I do not fee that an F150 would be better suited to carrying this camper than my Ram 1500. But if I was hauling this camper with an F150 I would do the same suspension mods.
 
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He has already stated that he would have been better to start with a 2500. He likes the truck and the 1/2 ton specific camper. Its not a live in travel the country deal. The truck is a normal driver that gets the slide in for short weekend camps.

While the air suspension plus the air bags may sound hodge podge I suspect when you get the air bag pressure right for your load that it will work better than the other things you have tried. It may sound like it could be floaty and pogo ish but I bet its not. I look forward to your results. Also i really wish you would try the roadmaster bar and just sell the Hellwig. I suspect this will also make a dramatic difference is how she handles curves. And compliment or compensate however you look at it with what you are going to do. What tires are you running?
I wish I could try the roadmaster bar as well but the Hellwig works so well that there is really no reason to. With the camper the truck really handles remarkably well. I've never felt unsafe on curves or high cross wind since the installation of the Hellwig bar.

As for tires, I'm running Cooper A/TW 275/60R20 and they're fantastic. Their max load rating is 2679 for a total of 10,716. When they're warn out I will replace them with the same tire in LT275/65R20.
 
Gentlemen ..... first thing to note is that almost every manufacturer fudges the advertised weight of their campers .... especially Travel Lite. I recommend that anyone with a slide in camper go to a CAT Scale and learn the facts. We started our truck camper research based on our 2WD quad cab. This configuration has the largest payload capacity other than the Regular cab at 1900 lbs. I submit the following video for consideration .... (watch to the end)


This ultimately led us to do the obvious ... get a more suitable truck for the task so we bought a 2016 2500HD Ram. Its payload capacity is 3600 lbs (nearly twice that of the 1500).
The 1500 tires were rated at 39 psi, the 2500 tires at 80 psi.
We also found a manufacturer that actually weighs each unit as it leaves the factory and publishes the weight inside the camper. Ours is 1780 lbs



I found that the Brophy bed mounts are not angled down sufficiently to keep the rear of the camper from moving upwards over large bumps and as others have noticed, there was a noticeable rocking fore and aft over rough roads and bridge expansion joints. Since the Class 5 hitch wasn't being used, I had a local fab shop weld a 2 inch square tube to a short draw bar that I had and I added an additional rear tie down point that limits the upwards travel of the camper greatly reducing the rocking motion.



Since I always follow my own advice, I've weighed the rig and as I suspected, everything is perfectly within the required limits (unlike before) :rolleyes:
Note: I've added in the axle ratings for reference. The GVWR is 10,000 lbs.



Also just ordered the Hellwig sway bar this afternoon (#7738 for Ram 2500)
Oh yeah, almost forgot the most important benefit of upgrading the truck .... the Sirius Sat antenna on the 1500 sits rearward on the roof and the cab over drops signal about 70% of the time. The 2500 sat antenna sits very far forward, almost to the windshield, and we get perfect reception at all times ;)
 
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By using a 1500 Ram that is not rated for a slide-in camper you have now opened yourself up to a big time liability suit that your insurance company will not cover! There are way to many lawsuit happy people out there to open yourself and your family to a lawsuit IMO! I do know for a fact that the CHP knows that almost all half ton trucks are not rated for a slide-in camper and have given people citations and towed their vehicles!
Ok, I'm curious, what law states that you cannot have a slide in camper? I didn't see anything in my policy about campers in trucks in my insurance, I will have to check on that. If there is a law broken (first question) insurance still covers you, like it would if you ran a red light, were speeding or talking on a cell phone.
 
Gentlemen ..... first thing to note is that almost every manufacturer fudges the advertised weight of their campers .... especially Travel Lite. I recommend that anyone with a slide in camper go to a CAT Scale and learn the facts. We started our truck camper research based on our 2WD quad cab. This configuration has the largest payload capacity other than the Regular cab at 1900 lbs. I submit the following video for consideration .... (watch to the end)


This ultimately led us to do the obvious ... get a more suitable truck for the task so we bought a 2016 2500HD Ram. Its payload capacity is 3600 lbs (nearly twice that of the 1500).
The 1500 tires were rated at 39 psi, the 2500 tires at 80 psi.
We also found a manufacturer that actually weighs each unit as it leaves the factory and publishes the weight inside the camper. Ours is 1780 lbs

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I found that the Brophy bed mounts are not angled down sufficiently to keep the rear of the camper from moving upwards over large bumps and as others have noticed, there was a noticeable rocking fore and aft over rough roads and bridge expansion joints. Since the Class 5 hitch wasn't being used, I had a local fab shop weld a 2 inch square tube to a short draw bar that I had and I added an additional rear tie down point that limits the upwards travel of the camper greatly reducing the rocking motion.

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Since I always follow my own advice, I've weighed the rig and as I suspected, everything is perfectly within the required limits (unlike before) :rolleyes:
Note: I've added in the axle ratings for reference. The GVWR is 10,000 lbs.

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Also just ordered the Hellwig sway bar this afternoon (#7738 for Ram 2500)
Oh yeah, almost forgot the most important benefit of upgrading the truck .... the Sirius Sat antenna on the 1500 sits rearward on the roof and the cab over drops signal about 70% of the time. The 2500 sat antenna sits very far forward, almost to the windshield, and we get perfect reception at all times ;)
What happened to the new Pentastar and that little special TT you modded?
 
What happened to the new Pentastar and that little special TT you modded?
Traded them both for the new equipment :) I really liked the Pentastar and the trim level (Big Horn Pkg added to SLT) and had to reluctantly move down to a Tradesman level with the 2500. That being said, both my wife and I seem to have easily adapted and find the Tradesman spartan trim level to be just fine. I miss the push button lumbar support but other than that I'm surprised at how nice the 2500 rides. Based on what I had read online for years about how rough the 3/4 ton was I was surprised at how supple it is. It does have new 5 link rear coil springs and I'll be adding a Hellwig bar next week. It's not as plush as the 1500s but not too far from them. To tell the truth, I was blown away when I saw the 2500 on sale (online) at my local servicing dealer ... listing for $29,500. They gave me $25K for the Pentastar ( we still owed a lot on it but we still came out with some equity). We put $3,000 additional down which qualified us for a 2.99% interest rate.

The little Runaway Range Runner camper that we had was truly a remarkable value and it had been the most well built piece of RV type product I'd ever seen. I simply loved everything about it (for what it was). The dealer we purchased the Adventurer 80RB from gave us $5K for it (he already had it sold). We paid $4995 for it before adding several upgrades valued about $1000 so not too shabby when it comes to RVs and resale values ;)

The same dealer also gave me $1K for the ARE topper that we had. I had it listed here for $1800 as they are selling new now for around $3K but not a single piece of interest here on the forum for it.

Just noticed my Profile PIc .... guess I need to change that eh ? :rolleyes:
 
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