[MAS]

I think I’m wishing more for a crash than continuing as is.

 

[biodiesel]

I think I’m wishing more for a crash than continuing as is.

A crash could result with unintended consequences. You don't want to lose your retirement, 401K, and other assets. A crash could be very destructive and result in civil unrest. I'd be okay with a market correction followed by an economic boom, also known as the boom and bust cycle.

 

[SlowRoller]

There will be a day of reckoning, I just don't know when that will be. The economy will eventually dip into a recession and consumers will feel the need to slow spending and hold onto their money. As we speak, many Americans are maxing out their credit limits. As of right now, jobs are abundant, pay is at an all-time high, and there's still a lot of government money making its way through the system. Yes, the economy has slowed down, but consumers are still spending.

I don't wish for an economic crash, but I think there may be a window of opportunity to score a higher trim package truck for a good $18,000 - $22,000 off MSRP. That window could be small, though. The auto industry will be quick to cut jobs and implement widespread layoffs to regulate inventory.

EcoDs are available now with at least $19K off. (Percentage-wise, that doesn't come close to the $20K or 45% I got off on my '19!) The closest at that dealer to your range on a Cummins is $15K, which isn't too bad.

 

[biodiesel]

EcoDs are available now with at least $19K off. (Percentage-wise, that doesn't come close to the $20K or 45% I got off on my '19!) The closest at that dealer to your range on a Cummins is $15K, which isn't too bad.

Ram and the dealers have been more generous with the 1/2-ton segment than the Heavy Duty segment. With that said, we are already seeing some good discounts, which I think will even go deeper when the economy hits that bust cycle. The markets are slowing down, but Ram is still running at full capacity, partly to prepare for a shutdown later in the year for retooling.

 

[Captainmal]

You had a 2014 ecodiesel sold with appx. 100k miles. You’re now looking to get rid of the Cummins. Maybe keep one a while?

Yeah...There was around 114,000 on the Ecodiesel. Got rid of it because of the bad reputation it had built. It sure took a bunch of wasted days at the dealer doing adjustments and recalls. It could have been way too much trouble so I bailed for a known reliability. Oh - the Cummins I had before that was 10 years old and 242,000 miles.

As for this Cummins, it was a reliable choice in 2019. It met my needs and exceeded them for towing. Then fuel costs soared under this new government. Add on that now I have had it five years, warranty is up and the emissions issues may soon come up. That means I have to delete. More trouble and expense plus down time. Trouble is finding a local shop to do it. Then being comfortable with the programming chosen and the louder exhaust sound. I don't need a 2500 any more.

The new standard Hurricane engine is super powerful, runs on regular gas, tows more than the Ecodiesel and is a lower vehicle for us to climb up into. Really do think that with my usage and not towing I will get low 20's in fuel mileage. That is what I get now with the Cummins on more expensive fuel plus DEF. My local garage was bought out by a load developer, as is much of Florida. Right now I do not know of a single garage that will do the reasonable repairs I can't handle.

A new 5 year warranty would be nice. Wish I had a 5 year warranty on myself.

 

[6burning]

I've already started putting away $1,000 per month for an 8 speed. We typically order our vehicles, so I'm thinking about placing an order in October/November of 2026 which would be a 2027 model. By that time, we should have $30,000 for a downpayment.

2027 could be a bad model year to purchase a new vehicle, some brand new even tighter emissions equipment may be new that year, I am looking at 2026 to replace our 2014 ED:

EPA issues new auto rules aimed at cutting carbon emissions, boosting electric vehicles and hybrids

The Biden administration has announced new automobile emissions standards that officials call the most ambitious plan ever to cut planet-warming emissions from passenger vehicles.

apnews.com

 

[Captainmal]

2027 could be a bad model year to purchase a new vehicle, some brand new even tighter emissions equipment may be new that year, I am looking at 2026 to replace our 2014 ED:

EPA issues new auto rules aimed at cutting carbon emissions, boosting electric vehicles and hybrids

The Biden administration has announced new automobile emissions standards that officials call the most ambitious plan ever to cut planet-warming emissions from passenger vehicles.

apnews.com

Yes. You read the news and that's a reality unless something is changed.

 

[diesel85]

The EPA2027 emissions guidelines are pretty dang tough, just slightly less than the EURO tier emissions.

I firmly believe they will implement the EPA2027 emissions on the 2025 RAM HD Cummins as in previous years as history generally repeats itself.

Remember: RAM/Cummins was the FIRST to have impactful emissions back twenty some odd years ago and they did it a full TWO YEARS ahead of what the EPA wanted. I remember reading about it all over the place in print magazines, newspapers and on online.

IIRC, the last small emissions change was on the Cummins was in 2019>Current (2024 at least) if you look at the parts matrix.

Same went for the EcoD, they changed a bunch of emissions stuff from 2020>2023 for the Gen 3. Wasn't just for fixing problems, but it was also for improving emissions.

Which in this very case might've been why RAM decided to hold out for so long for the new transmission is my guess. Who really knows though.

 

[biodiesel]

2027 could be a bad model year to purchase a new vehicle, some brand new even tighter emissions equipment may be new that year, I am looking at 2026 to replace our 2014 ED:

Most likely whatever changes are made for the 2025 refresh will already meet and exceed the emissions for 2027. We'll know more in about 6 months.

 

[diesel85]

Most likely whatever changes are made for the 2025 refresh will already meet and exceed the emissions for 2027. We'll know more in about 6 months.

Exactly. Knowing what RAM/Cummins went through already with diesel emissions, I'm sure they don't want to be in the news again in a naughty way.

 

[biodiesel]

Exactly. Knowing what RAM/Cummins went through already with diesel emissions, I'm sure they don't want to be in the news again in a naughty way.

Historically, Ram/Cummins has been ahead of the game on the emissions front. Nonetheless, @6burning is correct in that new standards, regardless of the implementation date, will add additional challenges to that platform. I feel pretty confident that Ram/Cummins has it all figured out, but that doesn't mean the end user won't feel some growing pains.

 

[biodiesel]

More updates: Confirmed? Insiders Say 2025 Ram HD Trucks Will Have a More Powerful Cummins Diesel & a New 8-Speed ZF Automatic - The Fast Lane Truck (tfltruck.com)

 

[Captainmal]

More updates: Confirmed? Insiders Say 2025 Ram HD Trucks Will Have a More Powerful Cummins Diesel & a New 8-Speed ZF Automatic - The Fast Lane Truck (tfltruck.com)

Saw that yesterday. Key wording is the ????? NOT confirmed but probably.

Been many queries about the ZF transmission. Heading out for a trip tomorrow, I checked the transmission on my Cummins. Pulled the dipstick and at 71,000+ miles the transmission fluid was both full and clear. With the ZF that option will not be there.

Many wait in anticipation of that transmission with the Cummins. I dread that transmission will/could be coming.

 

[diesel85]

Saw that yesterday. Key wording is the ????? NOT confirmed but probably.

Been many queries about the ZF transmission. Heading out for a trip tomorrow, I checked the transmission on my Cummins. Pulled the dipstick and at 71,000+ miles the transmission fluid was both full and clear. With the ZF that option will not be there.

Many wait in anticipation of that transmission with the Cummins. I dread that transmission will/could be coming.

I just did some research on the Powerline and found that draining it and refilling it is easy, as well as checking the fluid. Yes, not as easy as a dipstick, but it appears as if it will be a lot easier than the ZF 8HP.

It has a fill plug on top, check plug on the side, and a drain plug on the bottom. It's likely a drain and fill procedure just like a differential or transfer case.

What would be nice is a sight glass on the oil overflow/check plug to see the condition of the oil. But one could just park on a level surface, unscrew it and check it.

 

[Captainmal]

Guess it would take a mirror, if you can get above that fill plug to see down in it. That's if you can get above the transmission at all.

Maybe there's a place to put a hole in the floor of the truck with removable panel. Cover it with some kind of floor matt or "hump" matt. Looks like a workable solution if there were no vehicle above it.

 

[diesel85]

Guess it would take a mirror, if you can get above that fill plug to see down in it. That's if you can get above the transmission at all.

Maybe there's a place to put a hole in the floor of the truck with removable panel. Cover it with some kind of floor matt or "hump" matt. Looks like a workable solution if there were no vehicle above it.

Guess it would take a mirror, if you can get above that fill plug to see down in it. That's if you can get above the transmission at all.

Maybe there's a place to put a hole in the floor of the truck with removable panel. Cover it with some kind of floor matt or "hump" matt. Looks like a workable solution if there were no vehicle above it.

Yeah, I could see getting at the fill plug might be interesting.

I'm sure we'll find out here in the coming weeks.

Some of the things I hope doesn't happen in 2025 on the RAM HDs Cummins...

1. Auto Start/Stop. <<< I absolutely HATE this feature and having to remember to hit the "button"...
2. CP4.
3. Rotary dial shifter.

One of the biggest things I want to see on the 2025 RAM HD Cummins is on the 2500 and 3500 to allow the user to permanently keep the engine brake on (to whatever setting the user had it on last) when restarting the truck.

 

[j98]

Yeah, I could see getting at the fill plug might be interesting.

I'm sure we'll find out here in the coming weeks.

Some of the things I hope doesn't happen in 2025 on the RAM HDs Cummins...

1. Auto Start/Stop. <<< I absolutely HATE this feature and having to remember to hit the "button"...
2. CP4.
3. Rotary dial shifter.

One of the biggest things I want to see on the 2025 RAM HD Cummins is on the 2500 and 3500 to allow the user to permanently keep the engine brake on (to whatever setting the user had it on last) when restarting the truck.

CTD/Ram already went down the CP4 path. Lasted about 2 years 😄

 

[diesel85]

CTD/Ram already went down the CP4 path. Lasted about 2 years 😄

But you never know with Stellantics nor the EPA/CARB.

 

[shawclan5]

Simply can't imagine the cost of chasing the 'new truck warranties' based on what ifs and hypotheticals. Put 864,000 miles on my last 3 vehicles, 2 of which are still owned. Genesis was totaled (side swiped) at 252.000 by a tractor trailer which sucked because I drove it to the junk yard.

"I've had lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened." - Mark Twain

 

[biodiesel]

"I've had lot of worries in my life, most of which never happened." - Mark Twain

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